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Attention Natural BodyBuilders: New Banned Substances F... - 8/26/2006 12:13:06 AM
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Coulaid
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DMT, also known as Desoxymethyltestosterone - found in supplements such as Pheraplex, Ergomax, and Methyl-Plex XT - Cannot have used after January 1, 2006 (when it became a banned substances with WADA).
2a,17a dimethyletiocholan 3-one,17b-ol or 2a,17a di methyl-5a-androst-3-one, also known as Methasterone - found in supplements such as Superdrol, Methyl Masterdrol, and Methyl-Drol XT - Cannot have used after January 1, 2006 (when it became a banned substances with WADA).
Prostanozol - found in supplements such as Orastan-E - Cannot have used after January 1, 2006 (when it became a banned substances with WADA).
6a-Methylandrostendione - found in the supplement M-1-P - Cannot use after December 31, 2006
Estra-4,9-dien-3,17-dione - found in the supplement FiniGenX Magnun - Cannot use after December 31, 2006
4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17bdiol or 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol - found in supplements such as ProMagnon 25 and Halodrol-50 - Cannot use after December 31, 2006.
ATD, also known as 1,4,6-Androstatrien-3,17-dione (ADT) - found in supplements such as Rebound XT, Novedex XT, Inhibit-E - Cannot use after December 31, 2006.
I thought everyone should notice that many supplements out on the market now will be banned in natual bodybuilding orgs. Ignorance is not an excuse. If you have any question CALL the organization and ask them is this supplement banned?
Taken From: http://www.theocbwebsite.com/BannedSubstances.htm
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RE: Attention Natural BodyBuilders: New Banned Substanc... - 9/6/2006 8:34:02 AM
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These are all Pro Hormons right? The Test booster market such as OXO and 17-HD is still legit correct?
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RE: Attention Natural BodyBuilders: New Banned Substanc... - 9/6/2006 9:21:18 AM
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"ATD, also known as 1,4,6-Androstatrien-3,17-dione (ADT) - found in supplements such as Rebound XT, Novedex XT, Inhibit-E - Cannot use after December 31, 2006."
I alerted DS to this when the OCB banned it. That's why they introduced Rebound Reloaded, with no ATD, therefore it's OK.
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RE: Attention Natural BodyBuilders: New Banned Substanc... - 9/6/2006 1:12:06 PM
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Scott, that's not quite true. The point of Reloaded is that it is better, stronger and has less sides.
I am suprised that ATD was banned however. Oh well.
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RE: Attention Natural BodyBuilders: New Banned Substanc... - 9/6/2006 1:20:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: Twin Peak
Scott, that's not quite true. The point of Reloaded is that it is better, stronger and has less sides.
I am suprised that ATD was banned however. Oh well.
I'm not arguing the point, but when I told you guys that Rebound XT was on the OCB banned list because of ATD, I was told Rebound Reloaded would pass the test, so I stopped cycling with XT and started cycling with Reloaded, which I am taking now with ActivaTe, a great stack, by the way.
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RE: Attention Natural BodyBuilders: New Banned Substanc... - 9/6/2006 4:51:09 PM
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6-OXO is Banned.
Some Info:
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Androstenetrione (4-androstene- 3,6,17-trione; androst-4- ene-3,6,17-trione), also known as 6-OXO, is a suicidal inhibitor of the enzyme aromatase.
Source: http://www.goendurance.com/i54_Androstenetrione.html
Ergo used a diffrent chemical name: delta-4-10, 13-dimethyl-cyclopenta[a]phenantrene-3,6,17-trione on their 6-OXO to avoid problems with the goverment. But it is still the same product. I kinda like it to caling h2o, dihydrogen monoxide.
As for 17-HD:
It very well could be but I cannot tell you. Call\email your org and ask is 17-HD banned. Provide them with a link to the product information page. They will get back to you.
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ORIGINAL: Coop
These are all Pro Hormons right? The Test booster market such as OXO and 17-HD is still legit correct?
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RE: Attention Natural BodyBuilders: New Banned Substanc... - 9/6/2006 10:12:25 PM
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Yes... I'm not expert in this field but 6-OXO is used for PCT for its effects on the estrogen levels coming off cycle.
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ORIGINAL: Coop
So 6-oxo is possibly still a pro hormone? That is interesting due to people use it as a PCT to help recover from other pro hormones.. I'll write in about 17-HD and let ya know because most supp stores are pushing it and its Yam blend  like crack.
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RE: Attention Natural BodyBuilders: New Banned Substanc... - 9/7/2006 8:20:08 PM
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This is the response that I recieved from them on 17-HD. Who knows this may change the opinion of some on this product and its use.
"Hello, My name is Doug Miller and I help the OCB with its drug testing policies. This product is fine for use in OCB shows. It is essentially a natural plant extract. Good Luck,Doug"
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RE: Attention Natural BodyBuilders: New Banned Substanc... - 9/7/2006 9:40:18 PM
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17 HD is something they made up! The stuff in the bottle is all herb based...
17- Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone: 400mg (made up of...)
- Ge Gan (pueraria lobota) <--- HA HA Ha thats Kudzu!!!! Kudzu contains isoflavones similar to those found in soy. These substances are known to have an estrogen-like effect.
- Smilax Officinalis - Sarsaparilla!
- N.O. Oliliacae - <---what the heck!? Why don't they say what this really is!?
Betaecdysterone 100mg <---herb that comes from various plants including rhaponticum, luzae, and cyanotis vaga and is a naturally occurring phytochemical believed to enhance protein absorption and also enhance nitrogen retention and protein synthesis at 40mg 2-3x a day
Wild yam extract 100mg <--- can help support healthy hormone production
Glabra 100mg <--- Licorice..Digestive aid, anti-oxidant, and adrenal gland support
Phosphatidyl choline 50mg <---Lecithin ..1 gram is the effective dose for endurance sports applications...
Citric acid 50mg <--- Natural Preservative
Can you say HOOPLA...
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RE: Attention Natural BodyBuilders: New Banned Substanc... - 9/7/2006 9:59:54 PM
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No wonder i had no idea what 17- Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone: 400mg it was the name for the prop blend. I looked at it and was like what is that!
Thanks again Dan!
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ORIGINAL: danmirage
17 HD is something they made up! The stuff in the bottle is all herb based...
17- Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone: 400mg (made up of...)
- Ge Gan (pueraria lobota) <--- HA HA Ha thats Kudzu!!!! Kudzu contains isoflavones similar to those found in soy. These substances are known to have an estrogen-like effect.
- Smilax Officinalis - Sarsaparilla!
- N.O. Oliliacae - <---what the heck!? Why don't they say what this really is!?
Betaecdysterone 100mg <---herb that comes from various plants including rhaponticum, luzae, and cyanotis vaga and is a naturally occurring phytochemical believed to enhance protein absorption and also enhance nitrogen retention and protein synthesis at 40mg 2-3x a day
Wild yam extract 100mg <--- can help support healthy hormone production
Glabra 100mg <--- Licorice..Digestive aid, anti-oxidant, and adrenal gland support
Phosphatidyl choline 50mg <---Lecithin ..1 gram is the effective dose for endurance sports applications...
Citric acid 50mg <--- Natural Preservative
Can you say HOOPLA...
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RE: Attention Natural BodyBuilders: New Banned Substanc... - 9/8/2006 10:33:20 AM
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You had your test levels checked?
I don't see anything in there that would natrually enhance the hormonal cascade.
Yam is believed to support hormone production by providing precursors...
However, hormone balance and production is very responsive to lifestyle changes, in fact to a large extent it is dictated by lifestyle.
Other things that help boost test are
1. Performing short, high intensity workouts lasting only 20-40 minutes.
2. Double splitting your weight training. Do two short sessions (i.e. chest in the morning and triceps in the evening) lasting about 30 to 40 minutes each instead of one long workout.
3. Progressively increasing workout intensity, but not duration.
4. Allowing sufficient recovery time between workouts (do not lift more than two days in a row).
5. Getting eight hours of sound, uninterrupted sleep (or whatever amount you've found keeps you rested and recovered).
6. Taking a 30-60 minute nap whenever possible.
7. Using basic, multi-joint exercises like Squats, deadlifts and rows. A 20-rep squat cycle will release growth hormone naturally and get you growing like no supplements ever will.
8. Keeping alcohol intake to a minimum or not drinking at all.
9 Avoiding refined sugars. Focusing on natural starchy and fibrous carbohydrates.
10. Consuming lean proteins at frequent intervals throughout the day.
11. Getting adequate amounts of the "good fats."
12. Getting lean and stay lean.
13. Avoiding stress and relaxing.
14. Avoiding overtraining
Other anit-anabolic events to avoid:
Over cooking food
Eating too fast
Missing Meals
Over Eating
Not drinking enough water
Not getting ENOUGH protein
Not getting ENOUGH calories
Drinking Alcohol
Too much caffeine
Taking Saw Palmetto when you are not at risk of BPH
Training TOO LITTLE! (1x per bodypart per week does not take advantage of more frequent hormonal "work - recovery" cycles)
Doing low intensity cardio
Never lifting Heavy
Lastly, you could look at cycles of the new DS NHA stack as mentioned by Old Navy.
To quote from Designer Supplements website on the effect to a person:
Subject 1
Baseline
Total Testosterone: 243 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 30.1 pg/ml
Estrogen: 241 pg/ml
End of Trial
Total Testosterone: 422 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 22.4 pg/ml
Estrogen: 120 pg/ml
Total testosterone increased 73.6%
Free Testosterone decreased 25.5% (although the reading was already quite high in the baseline)
Estrogen decreased 50.2%
(This trial utilized Rebound Reloaded™ ONLY)
Subject 2
Baseline
Total Testosterone: 382 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 75.8 ng/dl
Estradiol: 32 pg/ml
End of Trial
Total Testosterone: 821 ng/dl
Free Testosterone: 111.2 ng/dl
Estradiol: 19 pg/ml
Total testosterone increased 114.9%
Free Testosterone increased 46.7%
Estrogen decreased 40.6%
(This trial utilized Rebound Reloaded™ AND ActivaTe™)
http://www.designersupps.com/static_site/writeup1_reloaded.php
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RE: Attention Natural BodyBuilders: New Banned Substanc... - 9/8/2006 11:51:55 AM
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Coop
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ORIGINAL: danmirage
You had your test levels checked?
I don't see anything in there that would natrually enhance the hormonal cascade.
Yam is believed to support hormone production by providing precursors...
I had it checked a month ago, it was in the morning around 10:00AM on a fast (it sucked I usually have 3 meals by that time) If I can remember I had worked out the night previously on chest, and had a break day before that. It was in the range of 236 I believe...
As for the list of the to do's I am doing most of them except sleep, I usually wake up every few hours as well as usually stressing lol..
I will have to look at the Rebound stack in a month or two.
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