Are size/weight and strength proportional?

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crx81

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Are size/weight and strength proportional? - Monday, November 09, 2009 2:31 AM ( #1 )
When it comes to body weight exercises such as pull-ups, excluding obesity, are all things equal?  In other words, I've got a friend who I've been "training" for the past 4 months or so.  He's skinny as a rail, no fat and very little (size-wise) muscle.  We're both around 5'9, he weighs 128, I weigh 195.  Let's say we can do an equal amount of reps of chin-ups or pull-ups.  He looks at it as I'm stronger because I'm pulling more weight.  I look at it as we are equally strong because we're working with our own body weight, so its proportionately equal.  So who is looking at it correctly?  I don't ask because I care which one of us is stronger.  I ask because I wonder if my thinking is flawed and that I'd have the wrong expectations with a more extreme example.  What if a guy who's 300 lbs. of solid muscle can't do the same number of pull-ups that my friend could do when we started training and he was only 115 lbs?  Does that mean my friend is proportionately stronger, or are all things not equal when it comes to strength and body weight?
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Re:Are size/weight and strength proportional? - Monday, November 09, 2009 10:36 AM ( #2 )
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When it comes to body weight exercises such as pull-ups, excluding obesity, are all things equal?  In other words, I've got a friend who I've been "training" for the past 4 months or so.  He's skinny as a rail, no fat and very little (size-wise) muscle.  We're both around 5'9, he weighs 128, I weigh 195.  Let's say we can do an equal amount of reps of chin-ups or pull-ups.  He looks at it as I'm stronger because I'm pulling more weight.  I look at it as we are equally strong because we're working with our own body weight, so its proportionately equal.  So who is looking at it correctly?  I don't ask because I care which one of us is stronger.  I ask because I wonder if my thinking is flawed and that I'd have the wrong expectations with a more extreme example.  What if a guy who's 300 lbs. of solid muscle can't do the same number of pull-ups that my friend could do when we started training and he was only 115 lbs?  Does that mean my friend is proportionately stronger, or are all things not equal when it comes to strength and body weight?


...obviously you guys have the same relative strength but you are still stronger...

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Re:Are size/weight and strength proportional? - Monday, November 09, 2009 10:53 AM ( #3 )
well pound for pound, it has a chance to be equal. Kind of like how in boxing/fighting worlds you here guys say someone is pound for pound the best fighter, but if you put him into the ring with someone who had a 25 lb LBM advantage on him, odd's are he will lose due to size/strength. Why we have weight classes.

I would clearly say your stronger, in the sense of the word. Your pulling more weight, which requires more fibers and mass.

If A guy who was a solid shredded 300 pounds of muscle and he was training properly, he should be able to do a good amount of pull ups. Yes he weighs a monstrous amount of weight, but his muscles should be conditioned to lift that kind of weight due to his training.

Whether he can do more then say your friend who is light years lighter, I wouldnt know for sure. I dont know how athletic your friend is, how genetically gifted he is. Or his body type, arm length etc...

I really think that with a lot of exercises body mechanics comes into play, why some guys are better at bench, squat, deadlifts etc etc...

LBM vs Body fat will play a role, as in the less unnecessary weight your carrying with you, the easier it will be to perform a rep.

IMO the guy who is lifting more weight is the stronger one overall. But as far as strength having a correlation to body weight, Its true to a degree but it depends on a lot of other things.

Your friend may be able to do 20 pull ups at his body weight, and the 300 pound guy may only be able to do 15.

That means that pound for pound, he is stronger then the 300 pound guy in pull ups. But not necessarily everything else and like I said Bio mechanically he may be at an advantage to do pull ups more efficiently.

I think...I just woke up :P


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Re:Are size/weight and strength proportional? - Monday, November 09, 2009 2:48 PM ( #4 )
Konstantinovs can do 50+ pull ups at 275+ lbs.  Just thought i would throw that out there.
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Re:Are size/weight and strength proportional? - Monday, November 09, 2009 3:03 PM ( #5 )

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Re:Are size/weight and strength proportional? - Monday, November 09, 2009 5:00 PM ( #6 )
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look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1JqtbRPNps&feature=related


lol.  still a fat piece.

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Re:Are size/weight and strength proportional? - Monday, November 09, 2009 5:27 PM ( #7 )
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look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1JqtbRPNps&feature=related


lol.  still a fat piece.


Not sure what you mean by that? sure hope your aren't calling konstantinovs fat cause that would be ridiculous, dude has massive abs showing without the belt there.  Doubt there is any way he is above 10% bf
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Re:Are size/weight and strength proportional? - Monday, November 09, 2009 9:14 PM ( #8 )
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Konstantinovs can do 50+ pull ups at 275+ lbs.  Just thought i would throw that out there.


THAT is impressive!  Most I've ever done consecutively is half of that!  I don't know that my feather weight friend ever did more than 50% of that either. 
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Re:Are size/weight and strength proportional? - Monday, November 09, 2009 9:29 PM ( #9 )
 
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RollingStone


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look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1JqtbRPNps&feature=related


lol.  still a fat piece.


Not sure what you mean by that? sure hope your aren't calling konstantinovs fat cause that would be ridiculous, dude has massive abs showing without the belt there.  Doubt there is any way he is above 10% bf


 If you're over 5% RS considers yous to be fat



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