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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:58 AM
The reason Im saying I lost 2 pounds was because on the 20th I weighed myself in at 181.5.  Than a week later (yesterday) I weighed in at 179.5.  Also, I felt really hungry at around 10:30, I had ate at 9 and next meal was at 11:30.  At 9 I had 20 G protein and two peanut butter sandwhiches.  You were talking that bread was starchy, and I needed fibouris carbs to be able to feed the muscle during the entire 3 hours.  Is this an example of not having enough fiber in my diet at 9:00 AM which resulted in hunger around an hour before my next meal?  I also have that same problem at my night time meal, I eat my needed amount but I usually wake up from a hunger pain at around 1 and feast on a yogurt or two, some cashews, and go back to bed.  Do you wake up during the night, and is that also a sign that Im not getting enough fiber during my night meal aswell?  Thanks again Dan, you've helped me a lot!
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:02 PM

At 9 I had 20 G protein and two peanut butter sandwhiches.

 
While that might be a fill-in/emergency meal, I might expect your body to be hungry.
 
The protein is pre digested and is processed in the body quickly.  Bread highly processed and is basically sugar.  All that was left was the nut butter.
 
How many calories are in that meal..400?
 
Yes your should have a VEGETABLE, NOT FIBER...a VEGETABLE..a fibrous VEGETABLE...NOT FIBER.
 
See the distinction?  You need a food with lots of nutrition and slow to break down that will slow the rocket fuel action of those other foods!
 
THIS is why you are hungry, this is why you lose weight.
 
Before bed do you eat a meal of :
A Whole food protein
A fibrous Vegetable
A whole food starch
 
No?  then all the rocket fuel you eat through the day catches up with you!
 
OK, Ok..off my soap-box. hee hee.
 
Celery sticks?  Broccoli heads? 
What can you have a cup of with those meals?
 
3/9 you were 173
3/16 you were 179
2/20 you were 181.5
3/27 you were 179.5
 
Well, you are quite mobile!  I would say it (-2 pounds) is water for the most part!

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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Tuesday, March 28, 2006 1:40 PM
Okay so I should instead for that 9 oclock meal eat a vegatable along with the 70g carbs (bread) and the 22 g fat (peanutbutter) and the protein (36g) protein shake + peanut butter.
 
Also I realized after brainstorming I broke up my meals into 5 meals a day right?  So pre/post workout I should get a total of 67 G carb and 37 G protein. But you said no fat for either, so than I may not be getting enough fat per meal because there are a total of five meals during the day but 1 I cannot have fat with. 
 
Before bed do you eat a meal of :
A Whole food protein
A fibrous Vegetable
A whole food starch
 
^No I dont.  However would the following meal plan be good, and how much vegetable do I need to eat, one serving of string beans... 2,3?
 
4 Eggs with yolk
A glass of milk
.5 Cup of cottage cheese
1.5 cup rice
2 Servings of string beans
 
Would that be a good meal to have before bed? 
 
So the vegetables are as essential as protein and carbs? 
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:15 AM
Well last night I had a meal of rice, vegetables, tuna, and bread and I woke up hungry at around 1 AM and had another meal. Im not sure what this means, maybe that I am not getting enough food or I dont eat enough veggies during the day. 
Also: Does that suggest I should be eating the higher scale of carb % rather than what im eating now. (high end protein)?  Or should I just make sure I get veggies with every meal and see how that works?  Thanks.
 
"----Fibrous carbs (veggies) as apposed to non-fibrous carbs i.e. starchy carbs...(breads, grains, roots)-----

You need both to gain mass. "
-Both of what.  Starchy carbs and Fibrous carbs or Fiborous Carbs and Fiber from breakfast meals?
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:11 AM
Again...Yes your should have a VEGETABLE, NOT FIBER...a VEGETABLE..a fibrous VEGETABLE...NOT FIBER.
 
You need both to gain mass. "
-Both of what. 
Answer =
Starchy carbs and Fibrous carbs with a complete protein source
 
If you are experiencing hunger at night..this could be from a few things. 
 
First NO SUGARS at that last meal. 
bread = sugar
fruit = sugar
all dairy products = sugar
Second..what is your mix % of protein carbs and fats now.
 
Lack of satiety could be from the sugar and too much simple carbs, too little fat and quality protein..not enough water trough the day...not enough quality food in the day...or even other factors.
 
Last, what time is that last meal?
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:25 PM
Last meal is at 8:30.  Also I was getting a bit hungry from noon-3 it seems on the last 30 minutes of every meal before the next meal I get a bit hungry.  So fibrous carbs = vegetables?  So to make sure Im not hungry 30 min before my next meal I shouldnt eat bread (sugar) or not?  My noon meal was school food, but my 9 oclock meal was 2 pb sandwhiches and 20 grams of protein shake with carrots. 
Also for antagonist training do i always rest 240 sec before the next exersice or set?  Also should I try to include as much rice into my meals as possible because they arent starchy? 
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:21 PM

So fibrous carbs = vegetables

Yes.  See below.
 

I shouldnt eat bread (sugar) or not

Do not eat bread.  See how eating whole foods changes things.
 

 2 pb sandwhiches and 20 grams of protein shake with carrots

 
There is nothing resembling the supportive meal you are looking for in that meal.  Do your best to switch to supprtive meals.
 
Supportive meals are made up of:
 Lean Protein
 Starchy Carbohydrate
 Fibrous Carbohydrate
 
Want some samples?  OK . . .
 
Lean Proteins include:
Chicken Breast
Turkey Breast
Egg Whites
Tuna Fish
Shellfish
Most Fresh Fish Filets
Lean Beef
Lean Buffalo
 
Starchy Carbohydrates include:
 Potato
 Sweet Potato
 Brown Rice
 Oatmeal
 Whole Grains
 Quinoa
 Amaranth
 
Fibrous Carbohydrates include:
 Broccoli
 Cauliflower
 Mushrooms
 Peppers
 Onions
 Asparagus
 Broccoli,
 green beans, 
 podded peas
 
Fibrous Carbohydrates include:
artichoke,
bok choy,
brussels sprouts,
chili peppers,
jalapeno peppers,
leeks,
eggplant,
endive,
red cabbage,
kale,
 
Less Fibrous Carbohydrates/ Veggies include
zucchini,
lemon grass
squash
baby carrots
cherry tomatoes,
beets
Lettuce
 
 Sample Supportive Meals
 Chicken Breast, Baked Potato, Broccoli
 A Piece of Fish, Brown Rice, a Green Salad
 Egg White Omelet with Spinach and Mushrooms, Oatmeal
 Sliced Turkey Breast on Whole Grain Pita w/Tomato, Onion, Sprouts
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:33 AM
Okay so I shouldnt drink milk or eat white bread?  I was drinking the milk for the high end protein and the carbs as well.  I had to take white bread today but I will start to bring whole wheat bread, is that better?  Also I dont know how to get whole protein IE chicken for my 9 oclock meal because its during passing time and I only have 6 min thats why I usually take protein shake.  At noon Im going to start brining a meal and not eating school lunch.  I think im going to start eating a lot more rice for my carbs.  For my protein at 9 should I make a tuna fish sandwhich?  That and 2 pieces of wheat bread will get me around 38 G carbs and 30 G protein I just need to get more carbs and fat.  Do you not recommend peanutbutter, should I take cashews instead?  If peanutbutter is fine I can take another another sandwhich to eat of 2 pieces wheat bread and peanut butter.  That way Ill get all my required carbs, protein, and fat.  I noticed that for eggs there is fat in them so I usually have 4 eggs and that covers my 20 G fat required, is that okay or is the fat in eggs not good?  Please help me further with nutrition, its my only problem but Im about 75% understanding of it.  Just 2 weeks ago I was about 25% understanding.  Thanks.

Preworkout
0.1 g/lb X bodyweight in EAA = 18 grams (72 calories)

0.2 g/lb  X bodyweight in High Glycemic Carbs= 36 grams (144 calories)
EXTRA BCAA= 5 grams (20 calories)

calories=236


During Workout
0.1 g/lb X bodyweight in BCAA = 18 grams
(72 calories)

0.2 g/lb  X bodyweight in High Glycemic Carbs= 36 grams (144 calories)

calories=216


Post Workout
0.2 g/lb  X bodyweight of Hydrolyzed Whey Protein = 36 grams (144 calories)
0.4 g/lb  X bodyweight in High Glycemic Carbs= 72 grams (288 calories)
EXTRA BCAA= 5 grams (20 calories)
calories=452

 
So you eat during the workout aswell... I didnt know that.  Also I need more Carbs after workout, I didnt do that before.  What is EXTRA BCAA ?  Also how many grams of carbs is in an apple.  What is a High Glycemic Carb?  Is that just fruit?  Thanks.
 
0.1 g/lb X bodyweight in EAA  Whats that mean?  EAA?  Is that whey protein?
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:02 AM

Okay so I shouldnt drink milk or eat white bread? 

If you are experiencing hunger at night and at time in the day..
 
First NO SUGARS at that last meal. 
bread = sugar
fruit = sugar
all dairy products = sugar

 

I will start to bring whole wheat bread, is that better? 

Is it bread?  Bread is basically pre digested wheat flour...you want to eat food that YOU digest.
 

 Also I dont know how to get whole protein IE chicken for my 9 oclock meal because its during passing time and I only have 6 min thats why I usually take protein shake.

Shakes are fine but, forget protein shakes for trying to gain mass...you need a complete meal replacemenet shake! 25% protein 55% carbs 20% fat.


Do you not recommend peanutbutter

It is NOT a good protein source it is a fat.
I recommend you use a protein source.  Chicken, turkey, beef, etc...
 

 I noticed that for eggs there is fat in them so I usually have 4 eggs and that covers my 20 G fat required

Mix it whole egg and egg whites...depending on how much fat you need.
 

So you eat during the workout aswell

If you do a pre workout properly..it will lasy 35-40 minutes of training.  If training goes past that (and it should not) then you can take during workout.
 
That formula was used in clinical trials and had the most anabolic (muscle producing) result.
 
Taking the BCAA before and sipping the carbs during is really affective.
 

What is EXTRA BCAA ?

Branch Chain Amino Acids

NOW BCAA Plus
I use these.

 

Also how many grams of carbs is in an apple?

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
Look it up.
 
What is a High Glycemic Carb?
what is really meant there is carb sources that will be readily available and don't require slow digestion.
 
Many people choose to eat fruit pre/post workout. This is great, but make sure you are eating fruits that are higher in glucose then fructose. Fructose raises blood sugar levels very slowly, and doesn't replenish glycogen stores well. In fact, fructose will only replenish liver glycogen. Try to eat fruits on the higher end of the glycemic index such as banana's and grapes to ensure a high glucose to fructose ratio.  Maltodextrin and dextrose are thought to be best.
 
Forget the glycemic index.  Fruit is ok before, you need to digest it.  During it needs to be a liquid.
 

0.1 g/lb X bodyweight in EAA  Whats that mean?  EAA?  Is that whey protein?

EAAs are free form aminos or from Whey
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Thursday, March 30, 2006 2:57 PM
Yes it was wheat bread.  So these are the only carbs I should eat?
 Potato
Sweet Potato

 Brown Rice
 Oatmeal
 Whole Grains
 Quinoa
 Amaranth

The only thing on that list I have at the moment is the Yams and Oatmeal.  So whole grain bread isn't the same thing as whole grains.  And what are quinoa and amaranth anyways?  I never knew getting the carb intake would be this hard, I figured a carb was a carb :/ 
"Mix it whole egg and egg whites...depending on how much fat you need."    So does that mean if I need 20 G fat I make 4 with yolk and about 2-3 without?  Is speghitti a starchy carbohydrate?  Also where can I get a total meal replacement powder from?
 
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:01 PM
Apples I noticed are much higher in Fructose than in Gluctose nearly x2 the amount.  What fruits do you recommend?
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:33 PM
We are going to get top billing for a most active post!  LOL
 
Keep in mind..if you were trying to lose fat I would say lose the sugars for sure!
 
You are trying to gain mass so it is not as big an issue.  You were getting hungry..so either you are eating too high in simple carbs (sugar), too low in protein/fats, or in fact too low in carbs.
 
Since the carbs you were eating (breads) are predigested, they can cause the pancreas to give you insulin spikes..soaking up all the glucose in the blood and socking it away..then you get hungry again.
 
This is why I suggested a switch to unprocessed carb sources!
 
ANY bread is a processed food.  If it is not in an identifiable form related to its original form..it was processed. so--->Is speghitti a processed carbohydrate? Yes.
 
 ---->Is speghitti a starchy carbohydrate? 
 Is it a vegetable? No..then you can say it is a starchy carb.
 

So does that mean if I need 20 G fat I make 4 with yolk and about 2-3 without

Only eat what you need. If you need 10 g of fat have 2 with yolks and 2 without.
 
Also where can I get a total meal replacement powder from?
You can make it yourself by premixing ingredients to get fats, carbs and proteins in the right mixture...
Or
Look on this post:
 http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/MRP/m_109098/tm.htm
 
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  2. NOW - Pro Gainer Vanilla   or   Now - Pro Gainer Chocolate
  3. Universal Nutrition  - Gain Fast 3100
  4. Vitol Products - Russian Bear 5000

If you are cutting:
Now - Lean Grow <--Link - the taste is great.


Apples I noticed are much higher in Fructose than in Gluctose nearly x2 the amount.  What fruits do you recommend?

 
Try to eat fruits such as banana's and grapes to ensure a high glucose to fructose ratio.
 
Compare your favorite fruits!
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Friday, March 31, 2006 5:25 AM
Supportive meals are made up of:
 Lean Protein
 Starchy Carbohydrate
 Fibrous Carbohydrate
 
Also you said "---->Is speghitti a starchy carbohydrate? 
 Is it a vegetable? No..then you can say it is a starchy carb. "  So are you saying all carbohydrates that arent vegetables are starchy carbs?  Because in all meals I must include a starchy carb, I assume that starchy and predigested carbs are different, so bread isn't going to be considered a starchy carb.  However if speghitti is than I suppose that can be added to one of my meal plans, correct?  I will purchase brown rice, but whats the difference between it and white rice (besides the taste).  Alright, I will also get grapes and bananas, even though those are the more expensive fruits where I live.  Also how many servings or how many grams of carbs should come from my fiborous veggies?  Thanks again, and I apologize for all the posts but I want to get as much knowledge in this area as I can.  ( I hope to become a physical trainer when Im a bit older )

 
However: "Is speghitti a processed carbohydrate? Yes." Does processed mean that it is predigested?  I didn't wake up hungry on Thursday morning, but this morning I did and this is the difference in before bed meals:
Wednesday Night ( Didnt wake up hungry )
1 1/2 Cup Rice
5 Whole Eggs
Plenty of water
 
Thursday Night ( Woke Up Hungry )
1 Cup Speghitti
1/2 Cup Turkey
1/4 Cup Cashews
Plenty of water
 
^Both meals supplied enough Carbs, Protein, and Fats but it seems that the meal I had on Wednesday night was better for me.  (If, of course, not waking up for more food at 1-3 AM is a good thing)
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Friday, March 31, 2006 8:49 AM

So are you saying all carbohydrates that aren't vegetables are starchy carbs?

No and all veggies are not fibrous carbs.
 

Because in all meals I must include a starchy carb, I assume that starchy and predigested carbs are different

Most processed...predigested carbs would be starchy carbs.  They should not be chosen for fat loss goals.
 
You are trying to gain mass so it is not as big an issue.  You were getting hungry..so either you are eating too high in simple carbs (sugar), too low in protein/fats, or in fact too low in carbs.

Since the carbs you were eating (breads) are predigested, they can cause the pancreas to give you insulin spikes..soaking up all the glucose in the blood and socking it away..then you get hungry again.

This is why I suggested a switch to unprocessed carb sources!
 

I will purchase brown rice, but whats the difference between it and white rice (besides the taste). 

White rice is lower in fiber and digests more quickly.  It is ok but again not optimal.
 

Alright, I will also get grapes and bananas, even though those are the more expensive fruits where I live. 

Select 3 reasonably priced fruits and compare them and go with the one you feel is best!


(If, of course, not waking up for more food at 1-3 AM is a good thing)

It is a great thing!  The more uninterrupted sleep you have the easier it is to grow!
 
Is spaghetti a processed carbohydrate? Yes." Does processed mean that it is predigested? ..YES!
 
See you ate the predigested one and got hungry!  You ate the whole food and slept!
If you had added a cup of broccoli to that you might have been even happier!!!
 
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Friday, March 31, 2006 2:04 PM
Oh yeah I forgot to add I actually did have a cup of brocilli with that.  So is that how much amount of veggies I need per meal, a cup?  Thats one of my biggest problems currently, I just dont know how much veggies to eat. So all of the starchy carbohydrates you listed are the best of the best?  I noticed sweet potatoes are high in sugar a while ago, does that mean not to eat them before going to bed for a source of carbs?  Also, is tuna alright even though it may have mercury?  Because its only 65 cents where I live.  Also....
BIG QUESTION! MEGA BIG QUESTION x2!
Okay, my big question mega big questionx2 is the following:  Do I HAVE to make different meal plans to support growth.  IE: Does the body adapt in some way to the nutrients you give it if they are always the same.  For example if I had the same meal for every breakfast, even if it met my nutritional goal for that meal, over a period of time would my body adapt and get less results because of the food.  OR:  Do people design more meal plans because they want more variety in their life? 
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