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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:17 PM
That link didn't work.  Also again today my shoulders were sort of sore even though I stuck my chest out, stomach in and shoulders down.  It was bad because when I went to do skull crushers I couldn't get as much of a workout for triceps because my shoulders were getting more of a workout, but it was more of an achy feeling than a usual muscle "burn." 
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:46 PM
Warm up those shoulders every night!
THen stretch em when you are done.
 
 
Weird..the links went flat!
 
Here are links to what I use:
BCAA Powder
Optimum Nutrition 60 servings of 5 grams (26.80 with shipping)

BCAA Capsules
Optimum Nutrition  200 caps. 10 caps = 5 grams so 20 servings (16.80 with shipping)

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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Friday, March 24, 2006 7:41 PM
Okay a few more things.  It was the third workout of week one which meant I had to do 2 sets of 15 reps for my 5 exercises.  I started with doing skull crushers than tried to do DB bench press and due to my triceps being sore I could barely lift it!  I decided to do chest flys instead.  However, should I always do Chest-Tries/Shoulders and not Shoulders/Tries-Chest?  Also, Im going threw tons and tons of food... Like I've went threw 1 can of Cottage cheese, a loaf of bread, 2 cans of yams.  This is becoming an expensive hobby, is this normal to be eating all of this or may I be eating too much.  Also, is one apple good for pre/post workout?  Thats what I had today, wasnt sure the nutrition facts but I assumed they were around what I needed.
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Friday, March 24, 2006 9:26 PM

Okay a few more things.  It was the third workout of week one which meant I had to do 2 sets of 15 reps for my 5 exercises.  I started with doing skull crushers than tried to do DB bench press and due to my triceps being sore I could barely lift it!

Yea..when we talk about starting with a different muscle grouping  we talk about the biggies like back one time, legs another, chest another.
 

I decided to do chest flys instead.  However, should I always do Chest-Tries/Shoulders and not Shoulders/Tries-Chest? 

You almost always have to go in the biggest to smallest of each grouping
Chest, Shoulder/Tri
Back, Biceps
 

Also, Im going threw tons and tons of food... Like I've went threw 1 can of Cottage cheese, a loaf of bread, 2 cans of yams.  This is becoming an expensive hobby, is this normal to be eating all of this or may I be eating too much. 
 
To gain muscle, you eat every 2-3 hours..smaller meals, sure but yes.
 
You can do this in a laid back fashion, eating every 4 hours..your gains suffer a bit and the meals are larger...but if you need 2400 calories to gain muscle...then that is what you need!
 
The only way to change that is modify how active you are to lower you calorie needs. (or tweak the diet to slow the metabolism..which makes you less efficient.)
 
We generally use whole foods for a number of reasons. 
First there is cost.  A 10 pound bag of rice or even potato will last longer than a loaf of bread and is better quality food.
Quality, the less processed the food the better off you are.
Bulk.  Whole foods are more substantail and tend to be better pound for pound for building.
 

Also, is one apple good for pre/post workout?  Thats what I had today, wasnt sure the nutrition facts but I assumed they were around what I needed.

1 apple for each..with BCAA or whey?  The carbs need to be at LEAST 2x the protein for this to be effective for the anabolic effect.
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:52 AM
With 1 scoop of whey protein 20 G pre and 2 scoops post 40 G protein. 
Also Im eating 5 times a day of
67 G Carbs
37 G Protein
20 G Fat
 
Im not sure If I calculated in the begining for 6 daily meals or 5.  I needed a caloric intake of 3500.
 
Lets see 67 x 4 x 5 = 1340  37 x 4 x 5 = 740  20 x 9 x 5 =900..  1340 + 740 + 900 = 2980.  Okay I havnt been eating enough.  I think Im supposed to eat 6 meals instead of 5.  How many hours inbetween is that?
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:05 PM
Recap:
PWO =
.1 g/lb protein and or 5g BCAA = 15-18 grams protein
.2 g/lb carbs = 30-36 grams carbs
 
That would be 360 to 416 calories.
 

Here is the break down for what I need to eat for each of my 6 meals
Meal:
263 Calories of Carbs (67 Grams)
146 Calories of Protein (37 Grams)
175 Calories of Fat (20 Grams)

 
3500 seems high to me for you to start, you want to start with 500 over what you were eating and go a week, if you are not gaining add another 500...etc until you are gaining at the rate you wanted to gain.
 
2-3 hours between meals...to make the muscle gains really regular.
I do 3 hours.

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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:16 PM
Wow, not to bud in here you guys but this is an amazingly information packed thread!!!!  Answering alot of my questions along the way Dan!  Thanks alot.  I think I will get some BCAA's!
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:33 PM
You can join the discussion...ninjaman
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:49 PM
Bergantor, I normaly drink one and half gallons daily. It helps me flush out my system of toxins and the excess of protein. Maybe it depends on size. Post if you have anymore question.
 
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 27, 2006 6:51 PM
Yo Dan.  Im a bit upset right now.  I just went on the scale tonight (every monday night after working out I do.)  And to my dismay I looked down to 179-179.5!  I LOST TWO POUNDS!  I don't understand where I went wrong really, I've ate more than I ever had before and strayed away from protein shakes as much and replaced with solid protein.  I feel as if something I did was wrong.  However, I did have that enormous weight gain over a few days when I ate correctly... I think 174-181.5 or something, but now im losing weight.  Im not sure what to do, Im buying calipers tommorow.  Do I have to add another 500 calories. I found out I was only eating 3000.  So now should I go to 3500 for the gains I desire? 
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 27, 2006 7:31 PM
3/9 you were 173
3/16 you were 179
 
you just changed your diet and are now 179.5
 
Have you gone 1 week on this newer meal plan?
 
...don't worry about the weight!  That will bounce back when everything is right!
 
If everything is right, % cals/protein/fat/carbs/meal timing/ workouts/ rest/ sleep/ water...
 
And you lose any weight by next monday..or even a 1/2 pound by thursday/friday..then depending on the amount you lose...up the calories.
 
Likely this weight loss if so minor, is fat.
 
Remember the right food mix will raise your metabolism and lose you some fat at first!
 
Since you are not calipering...how do you look?  Take a weekly digital photo?
 
You are almost have control of it!!
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 27, 2006 7:47 PM
Okay, so I dont have to add calories until next week if I dont gain any more pounds?  I still dont understand why I lost weight, any ideas?  I suppose making a new diet may have been the cause.  I look good, but I always seem to look the sime because Im always trying to look for bigger muscles in myself and I still havnt hit the goal I want.  Im glad I am begining to get into the groove of things.  A few things Im having problems with:  Eating vegetables during meals.
 
I have a few questions before I head to bed.  Do I stretch before a workout, I do after.  Should I stretch before and after?  Should I take 2 scoops of Whey Proten (40 g) after working out, I heard after a workout your body can consume double the amount of protein.  Should I put fat into my pre/post workouts?  Im always hitting around 45 minute workouts, which means I dont have time for abs/traps/calfs.  What do you suggest I do to get them into my workout?  On high rep days should I do a cable fly for chest instead of doing DB chest press?  Hopefully I will continue to gain weight, however Im feeling a bit down and distressed with losing two pounds.
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 27, 2006 8:23 PM

Eating vegetables during meals.

Start with a list of veggies you like.
You need the fibrous carbs and nutrients.


I have a few questions before I head to bed.  Do I stretch before a workout, I do after.  Should I stretch before and after? 

Stetch after..warm up before.
There is dynamic stretching you can do..but that is something you ahve to learn.  Static stretching is not appropriate before.
 

Should I take 2 scoops of Whey Proten (40 g) after working out, I heard after a workout your body can consume double the amount of protein.
 
Stick with the BCAAs...or the .1 gram whey protein per pound of bodyweight and 0.2 grams carbs.  THIS is what makes the body wants to start to recovery adn what you need to fill in that nutrient availability.  The next thing should be a good meal.
 
 

  Should I put fat into my pre/post workouts? 

NO!!!!
These are suppose to be quick digesting...fat is SLOOOOW.
 
 

Im always hitting around 45 minute workouts, which means I dont have time for abs/traps/calfs.  What do you suggest I do to get them into my workout? 
 
Traps do get hit on other days. On the week when you are doing supersets...you will have time to fit them in!
 
You could do a double slit.  In the am or pm opposit the workout...just hit those if it really worries you.  IT will increase GH which will build muscle and trim fat.
 
Is that 45 minutes lifting or total warm up and cool down?
 

  On high rep days should I do a cable fly for chest instead of doing DB chest press? 
Stick with the exercises on the list..they are the big builders!
 

Hopefully I will continue to gain weight, however Im feeling a bit down and distressed with losing two pounds.

Don't be, it is a learning process!  In 4 days you will know all about what is up!
 
We all go through it!  Dig in and have fun!
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Tuesday, March 28, 2006 4:58 AM
It's a 45 minute workout not including cardio in begining and at the end.  "You need the fibrous carbs and nutrients."  - Didn't you tell me I was eating too much fiber with all of the oatmeal I had been eating?  How much fibrous carbs and nutrients do I need? 
 
Also, do you know why I lost 2 pounds?  Just curious, so it doesn't happen again.  Was it just fat or was I not eating enough? 
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:14 AM
3/9 you were 173
3/16 you were 179
3/27 you were 179.5

I don't see how from 179 to 179.5 is a loss in 2 pounds of weight....
Stop sweating it.
 
Even if you did adjust weight, you are almost in total control of it, so don't even trouble yourself about it.
 

"You need the fibrous carbs and nutrients."  - Didn't you tell me I was eating too much fiber with all of the oatmeal I had been eating?  How much fibrous carbs and nutrients do I need? 

 
Fibrous carbs are fibrous multi-colored vegetables!  You need the nutrients in those.  They are still lower in fiber than oatmeal!  The type of fiber makes the nutrients release consistently over a longer time, meaning that your muscle are fed over the full 3 hours instead of a lump sum all at once and then starved for 2 hours.
 
----Fibrous carbs (veggies) as apposed to non-fibrous carbs i.e. starchy carbs...(breads, grains, roots)-----
 
You need both to gain mass.
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