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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 20, 2006 1:28 PM
Okay, well I've been doing that workout for about 2.5 weeks, I was just saying that I dont do the muscle groups more than once a week.  So should I be ready to begin a real workout or would you say I should wait?  I Havnt been to the gym for 3 days if that makes any difference.  I also have another question, Im sitting here with a bowl of cereal because Im yet to get all of the good carb food and I think all this fiber (i've ate oatmeal earlier today and about 6 bowls of cereal yesterday) is begining to make me feel a little sick!  This morning I felt really sick to my stomach, and I think the fiber is the cause of all of it.  Is this true or is it just that Im eating more than my body can handle/is used to?
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 20, 2006 1:47 PM
You could train today.
 
Could be fiber..or high sugar, or artificial ingredients....check the label.
 
Drink lots of water.
 
You might not be eating the right mix of foods for your body...
Some people do better with more fiber, less simple carbs, moderate protein , some high protein and fat low carbs, some high in simple carbs low protein and low fiber...
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 20, 2006 6:21 PM
Okay I did train today, it went pretty well.  The main problem, however, was my shoulders and the fact that they ached pretty bad after the military press, I've always had troubles with my shoulders.   Maybe thats from the training before?  I got all the new foods and Im going to begin making a meal plan.  Whats the key with meal plan, not going to bathroom much ? 
Also, I was curious...  Im on the 3-per week workout and it says to stay on the same exercises for 2 weeks.  But that means some of my muscles will be neglected like calfs/abs/traps and why would I stay on the same exercises?  Seems like my body could probably adapt on that! Another thing Im wondering is when should be my next meal after my pre workout.  3 Hours after pre workout or 3 hours after post wo?
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 20, 2006 8:57 PM
For the shoulders..
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/Shoulders_-_Rotator_Cuff/m_275/tm.htm

Warm them up.

You need to be sure you are in perfect form.  Bad anatomical form can hurt ya.
  • Chest out
  • Shoulders back and down
  • Stomach in
  • Chin tucked in.


Another thing I'm wondering is when should be my next meal after my pre workout.  3 Hours after pre workout or 3 hours after post wo?

Your post workout is just after you get out of the gym and the next meal can come 1 hour after that.


Whats the key with meal plan, not going to bathroom much ? 


Well, first that you are getting quality foods...and not so much fiber.  Bread and oatmeal have lots of fiber.  Sufficient water.  Once you get a nice meal plan you probably won't have that problem.




Im on the 3-per week workout and it says to stay on the same exercises for 2 weeks.  But that means some of my muscles will be neglected like calfs/abs/traps and why would I stay on the same exercises? 


It does not say to stay on the same exercises for 2 weeks it says "DO NOT STAY"...this is why I told you to read it carefully!



Also note that every session has different parameters.  So even if you did the same exercises...you would not adapt.  Go ahead and do calf and abs..even traps. 
It says pick six for each workout.  "Four out of the six exercises for each session must be compound exercises."  Then you can rotate the other exercises around the body...do bi/tri then calf/traps etc.  1 extra exercise will not hurt if you get it done in 45-60 minutes!


Week 1
Total Exercises per Session: 6

Workout 1
Sets: 3
Reps: 5
Rest: 60 seconds between sets
Load: Choose a weight that forces you to near-failure for the last rep of the last set.*
*This is the recommended load for all workouts.

Workout 2
Sets: 3
Reps: 8
Rest: 90 seconds between sets

Workout 3
Sets: 2
Reps: 15
Rest: 120 seconds between sets

Week 2
Perform with the same parameters as Week 1, but execute antagonist training for all six exercises (more on this later).

1) Weeks 1,3,5 and 7 are to be performed with straight sets. In other words, perform one set of the first exercise, rest, perform your second set, and continue for all the recommended sets before moving on to the next exercise.

2) Weeks 2,4,6 and 8 are to be performed as antagonist training. Every session consists of six exercises so antagonist training is simple; all you have to do is perform three antagonist exercise groupings during each workout. For instance, perform quads/hams, chest/back, and biceps/triceps exercise pairings for the recommended sets and reps.

Example: Do one set for chest, then one for back, then another for chest, etc. Then move on to the next pairing, like quads/hams or biceps/triceps.

3) Choose four exercises under the list of compound exercises. Choose two exercises under the single-joint exercise list. Don't leave out any major muscle groups.

4) Constantly rotate exercises from each category. In other words, don’t always start your session with a chest/back pairing. You must keep rotating the body parts and exercises you begin each session with.

5) Don’t perform the same exercise for more than two weeks in a row. For example, if you performed a flat barbell bench press as your chest exercise for Weeks 1 and 2, you must switch to either incline, decline or dumbbell bench presses for another two weeks before switching again.

6) Increase the load 1.25 to 2.5% with each subsequent workout.

7) Perform all three workouts within a seven-day time frame with 48-72 hours rest between workouts.
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 20, 2006 9:32 PM
Alright sounds good...   I made my first meal plan, figured I'de share because I was happy with it :)
 
Meal:
 
1 & 1/3 Cup Yams
1 Cup Cottage Cheese
2 Slices Bread
1/4 Cup Nuts
2 Stalk Celery
 
69g Carbohydrates
34.5g Protein
19g Fat
 
Target:
67g Carbohydrates
36g Protein
20g Fat
 
My only question is though that Yams even though so high in carbs was mostly sugar and not dietary carbs.  Not sure if this is to be cautioned or not. 
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 20, 2006 10:29 PM
Yams are great!
 
Remember to look at those meal samples on the gain mass page for inspiration!
 
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Tuesday, March 21, 2006 7:47 AM
I came up with my second meal plan most likely for breakfast.
 
1 Slice Bread
2 Cups Oatmeal
3 Eggs
1/3 Cup Cottage Cheese
 
Carbs: 67 Grams
Fat: 19.5 Grams
Protein: 40 Grams
 
 
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:12 AM
Don’t perform the same exercise for more than two weeks in a row. For example, if you performed a flat barbell bench press as your chest exercise for Weeks 1 and 2, you must switch to either incline, decline or dumbbell bench presses for another two weeks before switching again.
 
Doesnt that imply to use the same excersise for two weeks when he says "you must switch to either incline, decline or dumbbell bench presses for another two weeks before switching again." Thats what I got from it atleast, I read it over and over and read it again and I feel its the same conclusion...  Same excersises for two weeks, please help to clear this up for me.
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:02 AM
I see what you are reading!  I see how that says "you must...before switching again"
And I see the value in not switching all the exercises every time...you don't want to the body to adapt to everything all at once...just one at a time.
 
What you are missing is the other variables make the exercise different.
 
Week 1 has different set/rep/rest schemes every day then week two is a different style of working out..supersets.
 
He also says Constantly rotate exercises from each category and Increase the load 1.25 to 2.5% with each subsequent workout.
 
That is a quite a bit of consistant variation and makes the same exercise quite different.
 
I make sure that I train my whole body each week by rotating some of the exercises to cover everything.  I get my calves on a low rep and on a high rep day.  Same for traps, bi/tri/shoulder/hams....
 
I assure you either way..you will get great results!
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Tuesday, March 21, 2006 12:28 PM
Okay, just for clarification, I am doing the same excersises, but with different sets/reps/time in between correct?
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:43 PM

Okay, just for clarification, I am doing the same excersises, but with different sets/reps/time in between correct?

That does work...
 
You should see that every day has a different parameter for set/rep/rest and every other week has a different parameter for supersets or straight sets.
 
Additionally, you are picking 6 exercises (though you could push that up a bit if you are finishing in 30 minutes and wanted to hit another muscle...) and from day to day you can switch up one or another exercise or do the same ones. 
 
Low reps and high reps have different effects.  So if you do the same say flat bench for two weeks that is fine and will be beneficial.  I even like the idea of working flat for 2 weeks then switch to incline...hmmm
 
You other concern was leaving out a muscle for 2 weeks...like I said, I make sure that I train my whole body each week by rotating some of the exercises to cover everything.  Or on certain days adding in an extra muscle group...making sure to keep the workouts 45 minutes of less.
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:45 PM
Okay I read I need to let muscles rest 48-72 hours before hitting the gym.  So Monday-Wednesday-Friday would work?  Also, should I do cardio than on Tuesday and Thursday, and for how long to make sure I dont burn off the carbs I need for rebuilding muscle.
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:01 PM

So Monday-Wednesday-Friday would work?

Yes if you follow the low volume out of the gym in 45 minutes rules.
 

should I do cardio than on Tuesday and Thursday

If your body is a fat gainer..yes, otherwise only as needed
 

for how long to make sure I dont burn off the carbs I need for rebuilding muscle.

You take BCAA before and after cardio.  You do the cardio at low to moderate intensity max 30 minutes for now... or HIIT for a very short duration.
 
You wanted to gain muscle right...so cardio is only if your body has a propensity to gain FAT.
 
Otherwise the 10 minutes before and 5 minutes after your lifting (which does not count as part of the 45 minutes) should be enough!  Then you get the 4 days off a week to recouperate and have a good time.
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:22 PM
Oh sweet.  Seems too easy, so I dont have to live in the gym anymore to gain muscle?  Seems rigged lol.  Im still not too sure about what BCAA's are and also for the 4 days I dont workout do I make the pre/post workout just a normal meal?
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:41 PM

Oh sweet.  Seems too easy, so I dont have to live in the gym anymore to gain muscle?  Seems rigged lol.

LOL..yea..1 hour 3x a week and I gain 1 pound a week of muscle.

But the real gaining of muscle is done while resting and eating!


still not too sure about what BCAA's are

Branched Chain Amino Acids.  When your body needs energy, it can break down muscle for that energy very easily...basically the BCAAs are what it is looking for, so you are just preventing muscle break down by supplying them.  Also when exercising and one BCAA, Leucine, is present with carbs...there can be a net gain in amino acids entering muscle.

Here are links to what I use:
BCAA Powder Optimum Nutrition 60 servings of 5 grams (26.80 with shipping)

BCAA Capsules Optimum Nutrition  200 caps. 10 caps = 5 grams so 20 servings (16.80 with shipping)

I prefer the powder, you just put it in a film canister and sip some water, dump it in your mouth, swallow...rinse with water.  Fast absorbing.


for the 4 days I dont workout do I make the pre/post workout just a normal meal?

Yes.  I have 2 meal plans.  My on days and my off days.
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