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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:54 AM
180x.2 = 36 grams of carbs.  It says for 17 raisins it = 31g of carbs.  However 29 of those 31 are sugars, is that bad?  I figure 20 raisins should be around 36 grams.  Should I have the protein shake for pre workout too? 

Also, how do I know if Im gaining muscle and not fat?
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:45 PM
17 raisins is 31 Calories from about 8 grams of carbs
About 1/4 cup of raisins is 124 calories from 1 gram protein and 33 grams carbs
 

Also, how do I know if Im gaining muscle and not fat?

 
That is a very broad question.
The short answer is to track your body composition.
If you look in the gain mass link I gave you near the bottom it talks about this.
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:50 PM
PWO =
.1 g/lb protein and or BCAA = 15-18 grams protein
.2 g/lb carbs = 30-36 grams carbs
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:02 PM
Hey do you have the nutritional facts on the following:
 
Cottage cheese, Yogurt, Avocado, Hemp, Rice, Sweet Potatoe, Yam, Amarant, and Chicken? Im going to began by making a meal plan with those, but I havent purchased them yet.  fitday.com isnt very precise and its too hard to get to the basic search.  Figured you'd probably have access to the nutritional facts.  Thanks in advance, oh and I read the raisins wrong... Its 17 servings per container and I thought that was amount of raisins per serving... Whoopsie
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:21 PM
.3-.5 pounds a week muscle. <--- Thats how much you said you could gain per week of muscle.  You said, however, that on my 3500 calorie diet I could gain 1-2 pounds but most likely 2.  So the 1.5 of the 2 is fat? 
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Keep the training under an hour
Do not over train
 
I work out 3 times a week and usually my workouts take nearly an hour and a half for chest/back/legs and 45 min for biceps/triceps/shoulders.  And I do legs and triceps back and biceps and chest and shoulders so my workouts are usually 2:15 hours, would this be over training, and is it bad that its over an hour?
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:47 PM
I just read about the 3-day per week training and the max-OT training.  Which one is better?  Im confuzed why training the same muscle 3 times a week would be good, seems like over training to me.  The max-OT idk im completely confused on what training routine to do.. I've been told so many things in my life about it.  I've heard the 2 times a week, and the 5 sets of 5 and so much more I dont even know anymore!
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:51 PM
Lets take it slow...all the training variations 5x5, OT, 3x-week etc have a specific application.
 
They also allow us to vary our training to keep the gains going when we hit a plateau with a routine.
 
Set your mind on one routine and stick with it for 8 weeks, take a week off and come back with another!  After 2 decades I have tried damn near everything...its all good as long as it takes into account a few simple things.  Realy high volume tends to do more damage than good...and without any variance the plateau can happen quicker.
 
If you are losing fat as a primary goal (1-2 pounds a week) you can also gain .3-.5 pounds a week muscle.
If you are gaining muscle as a primary goal (1-2 pounds a week) you can drop .3-.5 pounds a week fat
 

would this be over training, and is it bad that its over an hour?

Training over 45 minutes is training in a negative hormone state.  Mostly breaking down muscle at a very high rate to provide energy for the training.  ALso the prolonged stress causes other catabolic stress hormones to be released.  If you are training to GAIN muscle then it is bad.
 
I train my whole body in under an hour.  I am gaining 1.5 pounds of muscle a week.  I know I am not overtraining..because my gains are regular and my energy and stamina + health are fine.
 
Over-training roughly refers to doing so much damage to muscles that the body is unable to do the repair in a reasonable time frame...and it is not able to repair to a stronger place than you were before training.
 
You can get all the nutrition info here:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
 
How on earth can you have a 2 hour routine?
Do I read this right "5 sets of 5 reps...  The reps were of 8,8,8,6,6."
Do you mean 5 exercises doing 5 sets with reps at 8,8,8,6,6
 
Thats not how 5x5 works!
http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/mahler5x5r.htm
 
My recommendation is to go with the 3-day and follow it TO THE LETTER for 8-12 weeks.
 
He is very specific about variations, volume, rests etc. 
I have trained this way and had some amazing gains!
 
After that, Take a week off and After that you might go with the 5x5
After 8 weeks of that, a week off and you might go for the Max-ot for 8 weeks.
 
In that time you should have gained upwards of 15-30 pounds.
You will also hear about many more routines.
 
Post the exact workout you are doing now, so I can see why it is taking 2 hours...
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 20, 2006 10:19 AM
Here one sec Ill get my last chest workout I did...

DB Press warmup
8/70, 8/70, 8/70

Set 1 DB Press on flat bench
8/120, 8/130, 6/150, 6/160, 8/130

Set 2 DB Incline Press
8/100, 8/100, 8/110, 6/120, 6/120

Set 3 DB Decline Press
8/100, 8/110, 6/120, 6/125, 6/130

Set 4 Cable Fly
8/80, 8/100, 8/110, 8/110, 8/110

Set 5 Machine Fly
8/125, 8/145, 8/155, 6/170, 6/165
 
^ I do that same routine for everything.
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 20, 2006 10:34 AM
OK..thats what I was afraid of...
 
20 sets per bodypart!
You are way over doing it.
 
You should take a week of to let the body heal up and decondition.
 
Then come back with a scaled down routine!
 
Be glad to help you get that on track!
 
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 20, 2006 10:38 AM
Do I have to take a week off?  Because its spring break and I was excited to gain a pound or two with my new diet. 
Also, where is the 3-day workout?
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 20, 2006 11:29 AM
When was teh last time you had a week completely off of training?
 
3 day per week training
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=04-073-training
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 20, 2006 1:14 PM
Erm... Not sure, maybe a month ago?  So do I need the week off or not cuz I have to decide well in like 20 min :/
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 20, 2006 1:17 PM
If you have only been training now for 4 weeks since the break..for now if you are dying to train...sure, train...but look in your calendar for when the next week you can take off completely is!

You body has some catching up to do!

If you go with a lower volume workout..it will sure help.
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 20, 2006 1:18 PM
Oh, well you know I only did that workout once for each muscle group and I dont feel fatigued at all.  So I shouldnt start today by doing the 3-time workout, I printed the instructions of it out and was going to do it after work ( I work at the ymca :P ) 
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RE: Am i doing everything correctly? - Monday, March 20, 2006 1:23 PM
You could do the 3x/week full body workout...follow the directions exactly for creating the workouts! read carefully!
 
If you only made it through one cycle of that super high volume type work you listed...thats great!
 
Maybe your body just had a moment of shock..now you can get back to growing regular!
 
Anyone who says "do this" you can always ask them how much lean mass they are gaining a month...if it is less than a pound...then they are not on top of it.
 
Write their suggestion down and as you learn more about what really does work for the human body...then you can look at the plan they outlined and see if it seems realistic!
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