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Ahh, getting fed up~ - Friday, May 07, 2004 3:09 PM ( #1 )
Hi, im a 20 year old female who has been trying to slim down for a while. In high school, I was a swimmer, and in college, i continue to play club waterpolo. Earlier in last year, I was offered a shot at a modeling job, and recently, I was offered another. The catch is, either I gain weight and become plus size, or lose weight and move down to the smaller models. I am currently 5'10" and I weigh about 152. I recently finished my polo season and my body is quickly turning to mush. I want to know how I can prevent this ASIDE from playing all year round. I am not willing to become a plus model.
I do have a tendency to bulk up a bit when I lift, mostly in the arms because they are already fairly large.
I eat a very healthy diet, and the worst thing that I ever eat is a McDonald's ice cream cone once a week.
I do cardio 6 days a week, alternating interval with no interval on the eliptical, and I also walk for 30 minutes 3 times a week INCLUDING the eliptical work.
I alternate arms and legs about every other day..usually I lift arms 3 times a week and legs twice. I do abs every day that I work out. I have a lot of problems with my knees and have a lot of problems with running.
I am absolutely sure that I am doing too much cardio, but when I do cut back, I put on weight very quickly. I eat about 1600 calories a day, with a good variation of protein and carbs.
Ok, so thats a lot of info, but I am wondering..my measurements right now are 36, 27, 35. I do know that I cannot target specific spots, but I would ultimately like to get my waist down to a 25, and I am wondering how to do this. I feel as though I have tried everything. I was a 24.5 last year, and I unfortunately did it very unhealthily and I do not want to do that again. I know I can get down to at least a 26 but I can't find a way! I cut calories, I bring them back up, I eat small meals all day, but for some reason, my weight sticks! Someone please help!
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Friday, May 07, 2004 4:09 PM ( #2 )
This finally gives me a chance to ask something I have been dying to know:

What's so terrible about a woman having a bit of muscle bulk?

I am not talking about big male-bodybuilder looking muscles of course, despite what many women think that's not possible for most women without some serious steroids. I see fashion models with little twiggy arms and it just doesn't look healthy to me. Does putting on a little muscle in your upper body really make you unattractive to modelling agencies?

Maybe so, they seem to STILL be on that heroin chic thing...I saw one photo with a model in a fur coat holding a baby, and it was clear (to me at least) that the model was too thin to conceive, much less carry a baby.

My thought is if you increase your muscle mass you'll raise your basal metabolism and won't have to work as hard at keeping the fat off. If bluk IS that much of a problem and you have problem knees, a high-rep, low weight circuit training program should provide a god cardio workout without blowing out your legs.

Of course, my advice is always for people who want to be fit and healthy. If you instead are more concerned about meeting the modeling industry's standards, you might be better off with the Ford agency lunch: A cigarette and a Diet Coke.
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Friday, May 07, 2004 4:23 PM ( #3 )
Firstly I would only work each body part once a week, there seems to be a school of thought that women should lift differently to men and I don't think they should. As you lift ,your weight may very well go up but that's not bad, and also with a lot of ab work your waist measurement may also go up. I would say get a bodyfat % test done. Lift heavy and get leaner, maybe do less cardio and less ab work.
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Friday, May 07, 2004 5:18 PM ( #4 )
I second DWood about working each muscle group too often and with adding more weight.

Honestly... i don't see where the fat is you want to get rid of... you look skinny to me. I wouldn't worry about your weight but just your body fat % (which seems like its pretty low)
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Friday, May 07, 2004 5:36 PM ( #5 )
Wow it's nice to find someone in the exact same situation!! My problem is my hips though... You are lucky to be 5'10 with 35" hips!!
I'm 5'11" with 26 inch waist and 37" hips
From what I know having a larger waist isn't THAT crucial in modeling. It's all about the hips- cause they only make clothing for up to 36" hips!!

I am very surprised they would give you plus-size as an alternative. Girl, you are not even close to plus size! You are fit and toned... From looking at your body type you look perfect for Fitness modeling! I am in the exact same situation as you... I was told by my modeling agency that I need to drop an inch off my hips, and a bit off my waist. They even gave me the whole "DON'T gain anymore muscle" speech... Unfortunitely I am like yourself and I gain muscle very easily... most likely from our athletic backgrounds.

However, hun.. even if you can't drop an inch or so--- you can still do alot of other modeling! You are very pretty and tall.. You can still get work. You can still be with a good agency, you just won't be doing mainstream fashion (like runway or editorial print work). I've come to terms that I WONT be doing this anymore either... LOL. Besides girl, the $$$$$$$$ is not in high fashion. It's in commerical modeling! Wouldn't you rather see yourself in Shape Magazine, Cosmo, Marie-Claire? Rather than Vogue, or on the runways modeling Dolce & Gabbana? Do you know to be on the COVER of Vogue the model only gets paid $150/hr.??? Compaired to other work, that's CRAP! It's all for the bragging rights, that's it.

Anyways back on track here... all I can suggest for you would be to do Yoga and pilates.... Apparently stretching can help lean out your body in your waist and other areas. My agency highly reccommended YOGA for me as well. As far as I can see you look very toned, I don't know if you have much fat to loose. You have NO love handles at all... But it won't hurt to keep doing cardio just in case..

But I'd definitely say try the stretching and lengthening... If that doesn't work your waist size may be hereditary and already as small as it's going to be and in that case you could definitely look at the Fitness modeling option.

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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Friday, May 07, 2004 5:40 PM ( #6 )
Hmm.. I just re-read your post... You were a 24.5" waist last year you said?

Well ... I can't see through your tank top- but you don't seem to have much fat on your waist.
If you think you do-- or you notice a bit of fat since you were a 24.5", they maybe just keep doing lots of cardio and try the YOGA/strengthing.
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Friday, May 07, 2004 6:01 PM ( #7 )
So should I lift heavy or lift light?
I am very serious about staying healthy.. My arms will never look like a really skinny models, I have the shoulders a wwf wrestler when i flex, its a little scary. As far as diet goes, how many or few calories should i consume? I tried to go low carb once, but instead of cutting fat, it at away my muscle tone...so now I balance the two.
There is a picture of me up there, on the first post, an attachment. Im looking also how to slim the inner thigh. I have what I call "stretchy fat" but its a fat deposit that just sits there and it certainly isnt over my whole leg...i do not know if i can do anything with that or not. Also, I thought ab work thinned your stomach? i have a lines down the middle and both sides, and i think muscle tone on a woman is sexy..if i lose that, my waist will get smaller?
As far as the diet coke and cigarette...yea, I love food. hehe, and i dont drink pop or smoke...so maybe i am behind the game, but in that case i dont want to get ahead
My body is slim and lean, but i do have the desire to get rid of excess pudges around. My body fat is at 19% right now.. I had one done a few weeks ago, and since I did try low carb, it might have gone up...let me know what you think if you look at the picture! thanks so much for your advice!
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Friday, May 07, 2004 6:11 PM ( #8 )
wow, I was replying to two posts and i just saw more! I am from the Chicago suburbs, so I am really close to a lot of agencies...I would LOVE absolutely love to get into modeling, but the two agencies that scouted me out, they told me I would need to slim down. I am really into being fit and when I was looking online, fitness modeling was much more appealing to me.
Thank you all for your encouragement! I am in college right now, so I think I can take a yoga or pilates class--if you ya'll have anymore advice about Diet and exercise, please let me know..
stacey--what do you model and what do you do that keeps you so tiny? you are much smaller than i in weight and waist...i do know that i can get my waist smaller, but the weight, for the past month, has not budged. Im looking for a change in my workout program that will maybe jump start my metabolism without having to give up eating? how many calories a day do you consume?
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Friday, May 07, 2004 6:49 PM ( #9 )
Hi!
I am with NeXt Model Management in Toronto (they are ranked 4th best in the world right now).. However I am not working yet :( I need to get my measurements down. My agency is really pushing me for fashion because I'm so tall, but I just don't think I can do it. I'm going to keep working out, but if not I'm going to just do fitness or Commerical stuff. Chicago is a great place to start a modeling career!! They have some of the major agencies Elite, Ford, etc. Plus the market has alot of work and not as many models as compaired to say NYC.
I think if this is very important to you, it's definitely worth it! I'm so keen on this whole modeling thing, because I can't believe the money you can make! For a woman in her early thirties, this kind of money can really get you a good start to your life even if you only model for a few years!!

As far as my waist or size goes... It's pretty natural. I used to be really gross thin in highschool, but I finally got some curves and put on a bit a weight. It was BETTER looking for say everyday life... But not for modeling. I'm not at my goal yet either! I'm having a hard ass time.. because my measurements are fluctuating every couple weeks... When I started working out I had barely any muscle tone, so my waist was 25.5" .. but I kept doing crazy weights and lots of crunches, and I increased my waist to 26.5 ! But the only reason this happened, was because I wasn't doing much cardio. So I was only building muscle UNDER my fat. Sure I looked toned and in shape--- but modeling is all about measurements and when I went back to my agency my measurements had gone UP :(

Right now I am sticking to LOTS AND LOTS of cardio- because I need it. I have love handles for days, and my inner thighs too have alot of fat! My bum is pretty ghetto too. It doesn't look good on me, because I'm a very small frame, so I definitely need to lose that fat by doing cardio.

Everyone's bodies are different... But I'm no expert, I've been struggling a bit to find what works for me... However, judging by your pictures you look very very toned already! I'd say stay away from doing alot of weights or heavy duty crunches. DO some, if you like... but put your main focus on cardio since that will burn away any fat that may still be there.
I am going to start doing MORE cardio and eating less calories. Also try and do your cardio in the AM on an empty stomache so that you burn stored bodyfat rather than what you've eaten.
Oh and hun don't worry about weight... I gained 10lbs in muscle, but I looked better. Weight is pretty irrelevant in modeling. Measurements are more important.

Keep it up! And keep in touch, so we can help each other out if we find some things that work!
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Friday, May 07, 2004 6:54 PM ( #10 )
And I agree tone on a woman's body does look way sexier... Don't worry though because you are already toned, if you decrease a bit of bodyfat, you'll probably see your tone even MORE.... The layer of fat that MAY be there, is covering your muscle. So if you lose it, you'll see crazy definition!

It's very confusing- cause although I may have a smaller waist and weight than you- You have LOWER bodyfat than I do. You also have less visible fat on you than I do. You don't have love handles- where as I store alot of fat on mine.
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Friday, May 07, 2004 8:27 PM ( #11 )

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Hi, im a 20 year old female who has been trying to slim down for a while. In high school, I was a swimmer, and in college, i continue to play club waterpolo. Earlier in last year, I was offered a shot at a modeling job, and recently, I was offered another. The catch is, either I gain weight and become plus size, or lose weight and move down to the smaller models.


First of all, plus size? You? WTF?


I alternate arms and legs about every other day..usually I lift arms 3 times a week and legs twice. I do abs every day that I work out. I have a lot of problems with my knees and have a lot of problems with running.
I am absolutely sure that I am doing too much cardio, but when I do cut back, I put on weight very quickly. I eat about 1600 calories a day, with a good variation of protein and carbs.


OK, I'll agree with what the others said about you working the various body parts so often each week (though that might seem silly if you see what I've been putting in my journal the past four weeks). Chances are you might want to split up your workout a little differently so you aren't overworking the muscles. Why don't you post your current workouts in detail here, and we might be able to help you design a more effective program.

Regarding your diet, you may want to take a quick look at this post about calculating your calorie expenditures. According to the formula posted there by DJ, it looks like you should have a basal metabolic rate of about 1500 kcal, and if you factor in your cardio, you should be running about 2200 kcal/day expenditure. If that's the case, 1600 kcal/day intake should be a good target for you to drop weight, but if that's not working then the problem could be what you are eating, how you are working out, or a combination of the two. To check the first, why don't you post an example of one or two days of you eat on an average day so we can see if that could be tightened up. In the meantime, you may want to read about Twin Peak's Carbohydrate Cycling Diet to see if that might be something you are interested in.

As I said above, it's possible that your exercise routine could be contributing to your problems as well. If you do the wrong kind of work, it's possible that you are actually losing muscle mass, which would make it harder to burn the extra fat. A lot of people (myself included) have found HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) and Geurilla Cardio to be very effective at burning fat while preserving muscle. If you tell us more specifically what you are doing, we may be able to help out a bit there as well. And if you have some more free browser time, you might want to spend some time looking around stumptuous.com, a very good site, particularly for women.

Good luck, welcome to DB, and if you do get any runway jobs, you'll have to let us know so we can look for you on firstVIEW, though I'd probably have to wait a few months, as I can't afford 1000$/year for access to the current collections...
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Saturday, May 08, 2004 10:26 AM ( #12 )
Well, i will start first with diet...
My regular food consumption is..
8am
Eggwhites with cheese and toast 300
10am
Yogurt (its a big yogurt container ) 240
1230 pm
cheese stick/one piece of toast and peanut butter 300
3pm
mandarin oranges or pinneapple or some grapes..300
6pm
salad with thousand island dressing ( have a weakness)
usually i have some sort of corn or green beans and this time too, cause i love em 300
8pm here i usually snack on either nuts, dried fruit, or some other sort of fruit...my diet changes when i eat cereal for breakfast...i have kashi crunch, and then i usually will skip a snack during the day. I drink water all day, I Do not drink any sports drinks, sugary drinks or anything like that...and when i dont have cereal, i will usually have a glass of milk at sometime. I do know I need more protein...let me know!! i will post my work outs next!
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Saturday, May 08, 2004 10:39 AM ( #13 )
Start out on the eliptical

45minutes, every 5 minutes i go up to a higher level and a higher resistance..
according to the machine, my pulse is 160ish on the low levels, 180 on the high levels.
30 minutes on the treadmill walking 4.0mph OR
15 min walking/15 minutes biking

after that
Ill do free arm curls, 15lbs in each hand, 3 X10
I dont know what that lift is called, but i keep a 25 over my head, work the triceps

Then I go to machines..I do a lat pull at 3 X 10 of 100
Bench 3X 10 of 75
Ill do a pull-up machine with a 3X10 of 70lbs of resistance
tricep pull 60lbs 3X10
and then i do one machine for my back, i dont remember what its called, but i use 60lbs, and i pull back with my shoulders.
That is my upper body workout

Legs
I do forward lunges with 10's in myhand 3X5
leg extension 3 X 10 with 75
leg press usual reps with 112
then i use the leg press machine to work my calves, same weight
and then there is this machine that works abductors, adductors, butt, and that front muscle in the stomach (sorry, im a nerd) I use that for inner thigh at 180lbs, and then for butt at 200lbs (i tread water a lot, im a beast, i can stack that machine..hehe)
and then finally, abs
I usually start with 1 min of reg crunches, then i do each side for 30 seconds, with my hips turned on the side, but my head and back still on the ground.
I pull up my head and legs at the same time, sorry for not knowing names, i do that 25 times
ill do bicycle for about 30 seconds
I do the plank, front and side for 45 sec each
front crunches with legs up and down
reverse crunch
and then ill do a flutter kick on my back to work the lower abs.

wow, writing it all out seems like a lot..let me know what oyu think!! thanks
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Saturday, May 08, 2004 3:59 PM ( #14 )

My regular food consumption is..
8am
Eggwhites with cheese and toast 300
10am
Yogurt (its a big yogurt container ) 240
1230 pm
cheese stick/one piece of toast and peanut butter 300
3pm
mandarin oranges or pinneapple or some grapes..300
6pm
salad with thousand island dressing ( have a weakness)
usually i have some sort of corn or green beans and this time too, cause i love em 300
8pm here i usually snack on either nuts, dried fruit, or some other sort of fruit...


Yeah, you definitely want to try to get more protein in your diet -- ideally about 30 grams per meal. Some suggestions would be cottage cheese with your fruit or instead of the yogurt (or even blend the yogurt and cottage cheese -- you can add fruit and make a smoothie-type thing. I've never done this myself, but I hear it's quite tasty). You could also try putting some boiled egg whites and smoked salmon or turkey on your salad (the turkey would probably match better with the thousand island. Other good sources would be the classics: tuna, chicken or turkey breast, shellfish, lean red meats (hmm... I just noticed that there's no meat in your menu... are you an ovo-lacto vegetarian?). Or you could always pick up some protein powder and have a couple of shakes per day.

You also seem to be kind of low on good fats like fish, flax, and olive oil. You're getting some from the peanut butter and occasional nuts, but other than that it's pretty much all from dairy. At the very least you should pick up some fish oil capsules and supplement with them. I'm guessing 10-15 grams of fish oil per day would be good... Twin Peak, if you're listening, what's a good amount for a 150 pound woman?

Finally, you should keep a close eye on the dried fruit -- they can contain a boatload of sugar in a tiny little package. Hell, something like dried dates are about equivalent to a spoonful of sugar. Fresh is usually "safer" than dried (though not nearly as convenient). However, you are at least eating a pretty clean diet -- no mac & cheese, triple bacon cheeseburgers, or chicken-fried steak with mashed potatoes and gravy...
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Saturday, May 08, 2004 5:23 PM ( #15 )

ORIGINAL: ILuv2Swim2
Start out on the eliptical
45minutes, every 5 minutes i go up to a higher level and a higher resistance..
according to the machine, my pulse is 160ish on the low levels, 180 on the high levels.
30 minutes on the treadmill walking 4.0mph OR
15 min walking/15 minutes biking


OK... when it comes to cardio, I'm a big fan of interval style training. One thing you might want to try is instead of 45 minutes on the elliptical (or bike, or treadmill, or rowing machine, or...), bumping up the intensity every five minutes, to four to five intervals, where you bump up the intensity every minute. You would do something like:

Short warmup
Interval 1
One minute at 60% "perceived maximum effort" (PME)
One minute at 70% PME
One minute at 80% PME
One minute at 90% PME
Interval 2-3 or 4
Same as Interval 1
Interval 4 or 5
One minute at 70% PME
One minute at 80% PME
One minute at 90% PME
One minute at 100% PME (i.e. sprint as hard as you can)
Cool down for a couple of minutes

You really don't want to go beyond 20-25 minutes of this, as by that time, you will have used up most of your muscle's glycogen supply, and your body will start breaking down your muscle to feed itself.


after that
Ill do free arm curls, 15lbs in each hand, 3 X10
I dont know what that lift is called, but i keep a 25 over my head, work the triceps

Then I go to machines..I do a lat pull at 3 X 10 of 100
Bench 3X 10 of 75
Ill do a pull-up machine with a 3X10 of 70lbs of resistance
tricep pull 60lbs 3X10
and then i do one machine for my back, i dont remember what its called, but i use 60lbs, and i pull back with my shoulders.
That is my upper body workout


OK, a couple of quick comments here (I'm going to assume you want to stay with a Upper/Lower body split, rather than something like Chest&Biceps / Back&Triceps / Legs&Abs / Shoulders&Calves kind of split... if you'd like to try something like that, let us know):

* You might want to add another biceps exercise in there; hammer curls should be good, or my favorite, sit on an incline bench (at about a 60 degree angle) holding a pair of dumbbells. Starting with your palms facing in, start curling (make sure to keep your upper arms more-or-less still), and as you curl, rotate your wrists so that at the top of the curl your palms are facing up (well, facing your body, really).
* You don't seem to be doing anything for your shoulders (though I'm sure they get a good workout from the swimming). You might want to add either dumbbell military presses, or lateral raises to the workout (or both if you have time).
* You could also add incline bench presses to your routine, this will benefit the chest as well as the shoulders and triceps. You should also consider using free weights for the benching if you can. Machines can force the body into some unnatural lifting paths and might lead to injury.
* You also don't seem to do anything for your lower back -- you could add hyperextensions, or even better deadlifts to your routine. (And if I might be permitted to slip into sexist pig mode for a second, there is precious little on this earth sexier than a woman doing deadlifts...)


Legs
I do forward lunges with 10's in myhand 3X5
leg extension 3 X 10 with 75
leg press usual reps with 112
then i use the leg press machine to work my calves, same weight
and then there is this machine that works abductors, adductors, butt, and that front muscle in the stomach (sorry, im a nerd) I use that for inner thigh at 180lbs, and then for butt at 200lbs (i tread water a lot, im a beast, i can stack that machine..hehe)
and then finally, abs
I usually start with 1 min of reg crunches, then i do each side for 30 seconds, with my hips turned on the side, but my head and back still on the ground.
I pull up my head and legs at the same time, sorry for not knowing names, i do that 25 times
ill do bicycle for about 30 seconds
I do the plank, front and side for 45 sec each
front crunches with legs up and down
reverse crunch
and then ill do a flutter kick on my back to work the lower abs.


OK, lets see...

* Lunges. There is much goodness to be found in lunges. Good to see them in your routine. Even better than lunges, however, are squats. If you can add them to your routine (or at least swap the leg press for them) you'd probably be better off... (as part of a new program I'm testing, I just did eight set of squats this morning, and after re-reading this I'm ready to go crank out another couple of sets -- to bad my quads don't feel the same way).
* Your abs routine is pretty impressive, however, since you do it five times a week, you're probably overdoing it. You might want to try cutting it back to twice a week, and try introducing weights to the ab workout as well. Ttry holding a plate to your forehead as you do the crunches and oblique crunches, or doing weighted cable crunches (here's the best description I found of them: Set up a double-rope at the cable machine. With your knees planted on the floor, grab the ropes with both hands, locking them into the sides of your head. Slowly bring your elbows – and the resistance - down to your knees, holding the contraction for a two-count. Slowly rise up to a position where your torso is parallel to the floor and repeat the motion. Try three sets of 25-30 reps at a moderate weight.)
* Also, you aren't doing anything for your hamstrings. Leg curls are good for this, as are straight-leg deadlifts.

So if you want to stay with a two day upper/lower body split, you might want to try a schedule like:

Day 1: Lower body -or- Cardio & Lower body
Day 2: Upper body -or- Upper body
Day 3: Cardio -or- Cardio (or rest)
Day 4: Cardio -or- Lower body
Day 5: Lower body -or- Cardio & Upper body
Day 6: Upper body -or- Cardio
Day 7: Cardio -or- Rest

Of course, I'm still thinking a bit slowly today, so it would be good if some of the other folk here look over my suggestions here to see if I made any egregious errors before you consider taking them up.
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Saturday, May 08, 2004 5:55 PM ( #16 )
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Saturday, May 08, 2004 7:31 PM ( #17 )
I second that.
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Saturday, May 08, 2004 8:35 PM ( #18 )
WOW! I third that!
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Saturday, May 08, 2004 10:34 PM ( #19 )
haha, thank ya'll. Im looking to start guerilla cardio tomorrow, i know since i am not a runner its gonna be tough, but im gonna head out at 8am tomorrow morning and see what i can accomplish. I cheated a lot today, got lazy studying for finals and ate my way through the day...ouch. So I set myself back today, but tomorrow is a new day. I like the advice coming in a lot.. I never thought about things this way, its good to actually talk to people about things that work for them! I will definitely cut back on some carbs...does anyone know some simple proteins? Cottage cheese, etc....And before, when there was a comment about not eating fish and things like that, well, im a poor college student- any suggestions for food that are easy and fulfill the requirements? I love cooking and learning new things, and I am open to any suggestions? (like shopping list suggestions! ) will fish oil cover that area? I know I have fish oil at home, my dad has a renal kidney failure and just stopped taking his 15 fish oil pills a day to go on dialysis. I really dont know anything about vitamins or anything like that. I do not even take a multi vitamin because the stuff i hear about everything is so varied!! I was really lost when i came to this site, so bear with me! Suggestions on vitamins? oh and about the dried fruit, i just looked at the stuff i bought and i am usually really good at checking labels, but DAMN, you are right about the sugars.
also, i noticed in the workout critique, there is not cardio daily? Do you suggest that I do not do cardio every day? I do alternate with interval and not interval every few days. but i get worried about not doing cardio daily because I want to burn a sufficient amount of calories.
I never thought about taking a lot of time in between lifting and abs because I always feel like such a slob when Im not keeping up.
hyperextensions-what are those? And dead lifts are a good idea, but the gym im at right now doesnt even have a bar. we have dumbell free weights, and then a bunch of machines and benches.
I am going to copy and print out all that you wrote and kinda keep in mind everything that is said. I read a quote about "if you do things the same you will stay the same" or something like that, and that is a really good point. Im ready for a change, some trimming down and a better lifestyle for myself! Please keep the advice rollin, i have tons of questions..im still trying to find the right about of calories and the balance of carbs and proteins, fats and such...i gotta start reading more labels! because I do a lot of cardio (which may be subject to change) I am VERY paranoid about cutting back too many carbs, because i ddi that last time, and my lean muscle when to hell. Im still in transition from that. I will be swimming over the summer---but i will write about that when i get to it!
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Saturday, May 08, 2004 10:39 PM ( #20 )
guerilla cardio is definitly cool. I lost 3-4lbs of fat in only 2 weeks doing it. Awesome. I would do guerilla cardio 3-4 times a week MAX. Simple protein? Well, peanuts, eggs, chicken, peanut butter, those are all pretty inexpensive protein sources. For vitamins? Any ol multi vitamin will do.

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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Saturday, May 08, 2004 10:41 PM ( #21 )
im sorry for having so many questions!! I need a personal trainer! haha, im just really lost, and was so fed up about nothing changing month after month...ya'll gave me a whole lot more hope! thank you so much
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Sunday, May 09, 2004 3:11 AM ( #22 )
What kind of mix do you get for a protein shake? and could i just get it at a GNC? and how much cardio is too much? Ill workout daily and i do cardio daily, but sometimes, when i get bored,, ill just go for a walk, or ill go back to the gym and pedal on a bike and watch some TV. is this bad?
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Sunday, May 09, 2004 7:23 AM ( #23 )

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does anyone know some simple proteins? Cottage cheese, etc....And before, when there was a comment about not eating fish and things like that, well, im a poor college student- any suggestions for food that are easy and fulfill the requirements? I love cooking and learning new things, and I am open to any suggestions? (like shopping list suggestions! ) will fish oil cover that area? I know I have fish oil at home, my dad has a renal kidney failure and just stopped taking his 15 fish oil pills a day to go on dialysis. I really dont know anything about vitamins or anything like that. I do not even take a multi vitamin because the stuff i hear about everything is so varied!!


OK, the "standard" lean proteins are things like chicken & turkey breast, eggs (the yolks do contain a lot of fat so don't overdo on them, but there's no need to avoid them either), fish, shellfish, lean meats like pork loin and beef cuts like round steak. You can also get some from cheeses, nuts and peanuts, but these also come with a higher fat content. You do also get some protein from things like beans, whole wheat flour, oatmeal, etc. but they are not complete proteins (they are missing certain amino acids) and shouldn't be relied on for the bulk of your protein.

Are you still living in the dorms, or are you in a house? If you are in the dorms, I'd suggest smuggling in a nice electric skillet, as you can cook most anything in one, they clean up easily, and no need for a flame. Once you've done that, the most convenient forms of protein are canned tuna and chicken. If you have access to something like Sam's Club or Costco, they can be pretty cheap as well.

Other staple bodybuilding foods are the complex carbs like brown rice (makes for a real quick stir fry with the canned chicken), sweet potatoes (regular potatoes are good as well, but not as good as sweet potatoes), slow cooking oatmeal, and occasional things like whole wheat pasta, bread, and tortillas. Canned beans are also good foods and very convenient. And of course there's the fruits and veggies...

If you let me know what kind of a kitchen you have access to, and what kind of foods you like, I can try to give you a few recipes to try out...

As for the fish oil, it will give you some of the good fats your body needs, but it isn't a replacement for fish in that there's no protein there. But if you're getting your protein from other sources and taking fish oil, you don't need to cram fish in your diet. And sorry to hear about your dad. One of my best friends works for the Renal Care Group, and I know what a bear dialysis can be.

Finally, regarding the vitamins. I just use a one-a-day type of multi-vitamin. It may be missing something that could be in there, but at least it's better than nothing.


also, i noticed in the workout critique, there is not cardio daily? Do you suggest that I do not do cardio every day? I do alternate with interval and not interval every few days. but i get worried about not doing cardio daily because I want to burn a sufficient amount of calories.


I didn't put it in there every day because it is important for your body to get some rest too. You can do it every day if you are having a hard time maintaining your calorie deficit by diet alone. You can probably do it a bit more if you're really jonesing for it, but there probably isn't a need to.


And dead lifts are a good idea, but the gym im at right now doesnt even have a bar. we have dumbell free weights, and then a bunch of machines and benches.


If you have some heavier dumbells, you can do the deadlifts with those -- one in each hand.

I suppose that's enough for now, I do tend to ramble on...
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Sunday, May 09, 2004 9:20 AM ( #24 )

(And if I might be permitted to slip into sexist pig mode for a second, there is precious little on this earth sexier than a woman doing deadlifts...)


Aren't you the coolest? And now I am off to the gym to do deadlifts...never thought they were considered sexy.... (I always imagine I look like one of those 300 lb romanian power lifters)
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Sunday, May 09, 2004 10:20 AM ( #25 )
I live in an apartment, so i have my own kitchen, and all that jazz. If anyone has ideas for recipes, let me know!
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Sunday, May 09, 2004 10:25 AM ( #26 )

i have my own kitchen, and all that jazz.




heck, you can do pretty much anything if you have your own kitchen!
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Sunday, May 09, 2004 9:40 PM ( #27 )
One more question, you suggest i lift like..arms once a week, and legs once a week, or more? there was a little bit of a debate, so i just wanted to make sure!
and as far as diet, i will add some protein and i took a multi vitamin today...so hopefully that will be good too! And how long should I give it before I should measure again? Im gonna quit with the weight, I always weigh a lot, and it never corresponds with my measurements...so maybe give it two weeks and see how it goes and measure again? is that right?
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Sunday, May 09, 2004 10:15 PM ( #28 )

One more question, you suggest i lift like..arms once a week, and legs once a week, or more?


Well, I definitely think you should be working your whole body (I think I remember you posted that you kind of do targeted weight lifting, no?) A good way to get used to whole body lifting is to do an upper body/lower body split.

One exercise per muscle group, like for lower body -
Squats
Stiff Leg Deadlifts
Calf Raises
Ab work - crunches, etc

For Upper Body:
Bench Press
Lat Pull Down
Shoulder Press
DB Curls
Triceps Pushdowns

Do this 3 times per week (so one week you do upper body twice, the next you do lower body twice, etc). Then once your body is used to that, you might want to go to a 4 day split, like many do here.

I do chest/tris, back/bis, legs, shoulders/abs. For that, you would do more exercises per muscle group, since you are only doing 1-2 muscle groups per day. Like for chest - BB flat bench press, DB incline bench press and dips, or something like that.

Anyway, I think you will see great results with a total body lifting program. I know I have.
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Monday, May 10, 2004 6:47 AM ( #29 )

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One more question, you suggest i lift like..arms once a week, and legs once a week, or more? there was a little bit of a debate, so i just wanted to make sure!
and as far as diet, i will add some protein and i took a multi vitamin today...so hopefully that will be good too! And how long should I give it before I should measure again? Im gonna quit with the weight, I always weigh a lot, and it never corresponds with my measurements...so maybe give it two weeks and see how it goes and measure again? is that right?


Well, there are two ways to go here. One is with an upper body/lower body type setup like you are doing now, in which case I'd suggest doing each one twice a week. The other way is to be a bit more local with your workouts, for example doing just chest and biceps exercises one day, then quads and hamstrings the next, then your back, then shoulders, calves and abs (or something similar). If you do something like this, you will do more work for each individual muscle group, and so you should do each one just once per week.

As for measuring and weighing yourself, it all depends on you. Some people see that they've gone up two pounds from one day to the next and freak out, others can handle the fact that that's what happens from day to day and can handle it. It's not particularly useful measuring yourself on anything more than a one week timeframe, but if you like knowing the state you're in at any given time go ahead... And with tape or caliper measurements, those change so slowly I wouldn't do them more often than every two weeks myself.
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RE: Ahh, getting fed up~ - Monday, May 10, 2004 7:01 PM ( #30 )
WDNinABQ - so I did the cardio you suggested and HOLY CRAP. I thought I was in good shape till I did that. I was working my ass off. I did all the leg stuff, abs, and the cardio today, tomorrow im gonna do upper body and then alternate..so Im gonna give it two weeks--with an alternate workout, and an alternate diet, and I hope I see results, but I do know I havent worked that hard in so long!! Thanks for the advice in advance!
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