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A very Worried Begginer - 6/5/2006 11:29:09 PM
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feardafro128
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I just turned 18 and as I present to myself I want to workout. I've never lifted weights more than a handful of times in my life. I have been a High School Athlete for all four years in Basketball,Volleyball, and Track so I am not just a normal unathletic kid. I'm 6 feet tall and weigh about 175.
One of my good friends who works out alot recomended I try N.O Xplode as a pre workout drink. Now that I have it, the rest of my friends who work out have scared me into not taking it. Telling me things like my liver will be killed or my kidneys will be ruined or even I'll get a heart problem. I am nervous to take it now, but I think it would never be sold if it was so risky. I was wondering if you guys could enlighten me on this. I'm just so scared and I don't want my liver to end up like a 40 year old Alcoholic's after 1 months use. If someone could help, I'd really REALLY appreciate it.
Oh and I take a protein shake when I wake up and after I work out. It's got about 25 grams of whey proteing per shake, if thats good.
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/6/2006 12:37:34 AM
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Nicolas
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Hi there,
Having too much protein in your body, can generate problems. However, this is only as a result to long-term abuse / over-use. Short-term signals can generate a very dark urine output, where long-term damage can relate to your liver, and in some instances the kidney.
It is important, however, to understand that it is not a dangerous act (generally) to partake in protein powder. The thrux of your protein intake should be as a direct result of your dietary behaviour (meals, beverages, etc). However, you may assist this (if your lacking protein in your overall meal intake), via taking these supplements....
If you are 'nervous' about the depth of measuring this kind of intake, and what is right for you - a generic rule for most people, is 30 minutes prior to a work out, immediately after a workout, and just prior to resting (sleeping) at night.
The reason that some problems can occur, is that your body can only handle / store so much protein, before it becomes over-inundated with protein; which is when it seeps into your urinary tract (as an example of why your urine can appear darker or abnormal, and become further acidic).
Three prominant results being Glycosuria, Albuminuria, and a wellknown one, Pyuria, can all be a result of high glucose, or high protein diet (Albuminuria a.k.a Proteinuria, often being an early sign of asymptomatic renal diseases).
Basically, though, you are fine if you take a -maximum- of 3 shakes per day. It is wise to measure the amount of protein your body should require.
There is a good post somewhere on this forum that addresses this. I will find it and post it up here for you.
Though, the moral of the story, is purely to moderate your intake. Long-term liver problems are well documented, kidney issues can occur as well. But, please do not let this deter you. It is just another precaution you need to acquire, as you would when beginning new exercises, and such.
Cheers.
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/6/2006 12:38:18 AM
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quote : "I think it would never be sold if it was so risky"
loool,there's a lot of things u can buy that are "so risky".
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/6/2006 2:12:43 AM
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ORIGINAL: Nicolas
Short-term signals can generate a very dark urine output, where long-term damage can relate to your liver, and in some instances the kidney.
Three prominant results being Glycosuria, Albuminuria, and a wellknown one, Pyuria, can all be a result of high glucose, or high protein diet (Albuminuria a.k.a Proteinuria, often being an early sign of asymptomatic renal diseases).
Long-term liver problems are well documented, kidney issues can occur as well.
There has been NO medical evidence whatsoever abotu high-protein diets causing liver or kidney disease. The thinking in the past was that high-protein diet could cause hepatic encephalopathy in those with ALREADY EXISTING liver disease but that theory has been disproved and recently studies are suggesting that high-protein diets in people who ALREADY HAVE liver disease may even be a good thing.
Glycosuria, proteinuria and pyuria are NOT a result of high protein diets. Pyuria is suggestive of INFECTION, not high protein diets. Glycosuria is suggested of high sugar levels/diabetes/renal failure or disease but NOT protein-related in particular. Same with proteinuria - protein in urine is seen in those with kidney disease which again IS NOT related to high-protein diets.
Long story short - high-protein diets are not going to harm your health in any way. Infact, they are encouraged as you get older in order to maintain muscle mass which is vital to not only general health but to also prevented injuries in the elderly.
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/6/2006 2:19:48 AM
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Hi,
I actually researched this quite in depth prior to articulating the discussion. I will relocate these journals/sources, incase they aid in clearing this up.
However, its quite unreasonable to expect that over indulgence of protein into the body / blood streams would be of no risk or harm. To say that it would not cause harm in any form is certainly a bold statement to make.
Pyuria is quite simply an infection of the urinary tract - correct - Glycosuria is a result of high levels of glucose (which I made mention of, in the original post), and Proteinuria can most definitely be a result of high levels of protein. Reabsorption is unable to take place to the full extent, therefore elements of protein seep/leak into the urine; which does in effect increase the acidity and alter the colour of the urine.
My sources may very well be outdated, however. We will see.
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/6/2006 2:39:42 AM
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Please do find these journals you are talking about. I, for one, would LOVE to see these.
I can make that bold statement based on medical evidence. High-protein diets in normal healthy people have not been shown to cause any damage. Again, please disprove me on this.
Significant proteinuria is caused by damange to the glomerular membranes in the kidneys as they are usually impermeable to protein molecules are they are too large. Conditions such as glomerulonephritis, IgA Nephropathy, minimal change disease/lipoid nephrosis all cause glomerular damage. Normal healthy kidneys do NOT allow protein molecules to pass through as they are too large.
Again, feel free to post evidence otherwise.
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/6/2006 7:03:01 AM
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Thanks for all the answers, but isn't N.O Xplode full of creatine and amino acids, not protein,. The creatine is what scares me. The research I have been doing now say that it's bad for me in the long term. Although on N.O Xplode's website, they say that this isn't bad creatine. They say it doesn't make u bloated or give you water weight. I bet thats just to sell it though. Still a bit nervous. Post some more!
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/6/2006 2:40:53 PM
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Sorry to hijack your thread there.
The short answer is No, creatine isnt bad for you.
Personally, I havent used NOXplode so i really dont know what the good/bads about it so Ill let someone who has used it tell you what theire experience was.
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/6/2006 4:58:11 PM
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Besides all the excellent info contained here already about the effects of high protein levels- How's the rest of your diet, anyway?
Supps can be helpful- but more importantly, they're designed to supplement a diet that's already geared towards your goals.
Do you have the basics down as far as food goes at this point? Do you know how many calories a day you should be getting- If so, are you getting that amount, and if so, which food sources are your calories coming from?
If your solid food diet isn't at it's best yet, I wouldn't even worry about the supplements right now anyway. Get your diet straightened out first- Check out the calorie calculator thread near the top of the nutrition forum for starters. The gains you'll get from eating the right amounts of the right foods will FAR exceed the gains you'll get from any supp.
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/6/2006 6:01:49 PM
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In response to the quote earlier I have some questions. I'll post the quote I'm talking About.
" 1. Take NO-x one hour AFTER EATING.
3. Keep your self hydrated.
4. Never mix NO-X in a bottle, close it, and shake it. (We all found out this one on are own). "
My questions are 1) on the bottle, it says to take NO-x two hours after eating and 2) to NEVER shake it, only mix it with a utensil. It seems you are contradicting the instructions it gives. Are you sure that's right?
Another thing, whoever asked about my diet. All my life my diet has been horrible. Now, All i eat is Junk food (Fast Food, Frozen Meals) or just big portions of Chicken or steak with potatoes. I barely eat fruit and I rarely eat vegetables. Another thing that I know is bad for me, is I never have breakfast, I wake up at 9 am and I won't eat anything till 5 pm except for a morning protein shake. The last bad thing I do is I eat a huge meal before I go to sleep. I'm trying to adjust, but It's taking time
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/6/2006 6:49:26 PM
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Another thing, whoever asked about my diet. All my life my diet has been horrible. Now, All i eat is Junk food (Fast Food, Frozen Meals) or just big portions of Chicken or steak with potatoes. I barely eat fruit and I rarely eat vegetables. Another thing that I know is bad for me, is I never have breakfast, I wake up at 9 am and I won't eat anything till 5 pm except for a morning protein shake. The last bad thing I do is I eat a huge meal before I go to sleep. I'm trying to adjust, but It's taking time
I predict that you will see an amazing transformation if you do nothing but change your diet, even if this transformation is limited to how you feel on a day-to-day basis.
You can adjust to a new diet in a bunch of ways. Two are: (1) figure out your meal plan for a day, and eat that over and over. A lot of guys do this, and seem quite happy. It sure makes food prep easy, because you know exactly what to buy and you can make it easy in bulk. (2) sign up or buy software (or hire a personal trainer/nutritions) that/who will generate a food plan for you based on your calorie needs, and proportions of the various nutrients. This is what I use when I'm sloughing off on the diet. I absolutely have to have variety, otherwise, I go nuts (nuttier?). Requires more planning, but because the menu is there, if you go shopping once a week (the plans often generate a shopping list for you), and do your food prep at least once a week (I prep most of my lunches and snacks for the work week, and prepare everything else as necessary), you'll be the good boyscout and less likely to deviate.
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/7/2006 11:39:51 AM
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feardafro128
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In response to the quote earlier I have some questions. I'll post the quote I'm talking About.
" 1. Take NO-x one hour AFTER EATING.
3. Keep your self hydrated.
4. Never mix NO-X in a bottle, close it, and shake it. (We all found out this one on are own). "
My questions are 1) on the bottle, it says to take NO-x two hours after eating and 2) to NEVER shake it, only mix it with a utensil. It seems you are contradicting the instructions it gives. Are you sure that's right?
sorry bout repeating it, but No one has answered yet.
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/7/2006 2:13:35 PM
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Angel
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ORIGINAL: feardafro128
Another thing, whoever asked about my diet. All my life my diet has been horrible. Now, All i eat is Junk food (Fast Food, Frozen Meals) or just big portions of Chicken or steak with potatoes. I barely eat fruit and I rarely eat vegetables. Another thing that I know is bad for me, is I never have breakfast, I wake up at 9 am and I won't eat anything till 5 pm except for a morning protein shake. The last bad thing I do is I eat a huge meal before I go to sleep. I'm trying to adjust, but It's taking time
My advise is to adjust your eating habits first before consuming any kind of supp and that includes NO-XPLODE.
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/7/2006 9:57:23 PM
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i did a report on creatine there is NO evidence that there is ANY harmful effects of creatine ESPECAILY if cycled correctly there is SPECULATION that long term creatine MIGHT have negative side effects but there is absolutly NO PROOF people just dont understand creatine
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/9/2006 9:50:33 PM
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Haha I feel kinda bad for ya "feardafro128", you had an entire paragraph of questions and statements on NO Xplode and 1 sentence on protein, but yet the first like 5 responses are about protein (guess they never read your original post).
Well, anyway, I have been using NO Xplode about 4 times a week (before lifting) for the past 3-4 weeks. I will tell you what I know and what I think will help you/answer your question(s).
What "Angel" said is pretty right on from what I've experienced. With eating, although it says to take NO Xplode on an empty stomach, I would recommend you eat something small about 1-1.5hrs before taking it. It seems when I take NOX after not eating for 3+ hrs I get really dizzy and lightheaded and don't feel as well. If I eat somethin samll a little before I take NOX I feel really good.
Also, it is very important to stay hydrated. If you don't, thats when many of the side effects can occur such as severe dizzyness, upset stomach, headache, etc.
Yes, and wait at least 30 min after takin NOX before lifting. 45 min is about perfect for me.
Aside from this, not much else you need to know i guess. NOX is not really a creatine supp (contains less than 1 g per scoop) its more of a preworkout energizer to get the blood flowin and veins popin (if you want creatine, I would recommend cellmass--also by BSN). Theres a lot of caffeine in it also so if your sensitive to stimulants (like me) stick with about 1 scoop of NOX for a while and let yourself get used to it and to asses your tolerance.
The thing Angel is talkin about with the mixing in a closed bottle I think is that whenever I mix NOX with water in a glass is fizzes so I guess theres some gas or sumthin that is released. If you do that in a closed container I guess it would inflate or perhaps explode. Just use a cup or glass i guess.
If you're worried about the earlier replies concerning protein do either or both of these: 1. research it yourself 2. remember that Lynx100 is a moderator for a reason--he knows what he is talking about. In my opinion, I have never heard of a high protein diet being harmful
Anyways, hope this helps. Peace.
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/10/2006 1:51:28 AM
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4. Never mix NO-X in a bottle, close it, and shake it. (We all found out this one on are own). "
The same goes with creatine. :)
If you're bored and have some time on your hands, then do this:
1. Warm about 0.7dl of water so that it's a good bit warmer than your finger, like 50-60° C.
2. Put the water to a shaker.
3. Add 100g of maltodextrine, 50g of whey and about 5g of creatine.
4. Close the shaker.
5. Grip the shaker's top and bottom very hard and shake even harder.
6. Clean up half of the kitchen from the explosion and then go to a shower to wash yourself.
Oh those days...
Edit. Yeah to the question, I've read somewhere that it might cause health problems with extended use, but I don't think there's anything to worry about with using it if you keep yourself hydrated and have eated well. It's more about the cost that's a bit off with it; ypu know, it costs pretty much. I don't use any supps myself anymore, Real food is healthier and most of the time cheaper.
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/10/2006 6:53:47 PM
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Creatine is not bad for u so long as you take it right and drink lots and lots of water.
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/11/2006 12:52:10 PM
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Lari
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NOX doesn't have alot of creatine. The main ingredient is nitric oxide (that's where the NO comes), and there's some speculation that it might effect the cardiovascular health. Don't know about liver probs, that would have more to do with speculation on creatine (which I've understood to be somewhat ungrounded).
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RE: A very Worried Begginer - 6/29/2006 6:28:27 PM
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No Xplode is good stuff. I am currently taking it for about a month. Just take it after 2 hours after your last meal. The creatine in the no xplode is the ethyl ester which is the best creatine out there.
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