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ASN HUMAGRO? - 10/18/2006 8:14:00 PM
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Muscles89
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Allright i am 17 and am powerlifting at my school and am wondering if i should be experimenting with this project. That is if i am to young or its not worth it.
I have read other reviews and they say its good and others say that it is bad. SO...i need you guys expertise. I read that it is good and works from various stuff too.
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174 Lbs.
Chest -42.5"
Waist-31.5"
Arms-15 1/2"
Shoulders-49.5"
Legs-22"
Body Fat- 6.75%
LBM-162 Lbs.
FBM- 11 Lbs.
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RE: ASN HUMAGRO? - 10/18/2006 9:02:09 PM
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jram
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Hey Muscles89;
I’ve posted these remarks sometime back on this and some other sites. Here it is again FYI. Note the first 3 paragraphs.
The problem with all of these types of products is that they quote injectable HGH studies and tout their product as producing the same benefit as a 6 month injectable cycle. This just isn't the case in any way, shape or form.
These products tout they have the "highest effective dose allowed for OTC". What they are doing is squirting a couple of hundred thousand nanograms of HGH in some kind of suspension and then marketing that it contains "real" HGH. The average dose for these is 2.000 nanograms or less.
Two problems with this - number one it takes a million nanograms to equal one milligram (1mg = 3 IU's). The other problem is that HGH in simple terms is just a protein .... a 191 amino acid protein string. There is no question what your digestive system can do to protein strings .... that is how you break your tuna and chicken breasts into something your body can use. It is very efficient at breaking down the bonds of protein strings and digesting them. That is why all of us that are using HGH inject it. That is the ONLY way to get it into your system.
Now having said all of this, there seems to be some logic to the homeopathic way of thinking which is you dilute whatever substance you are using to an extremely low dose ... then you take this sublingually and it triggers you body to produce more of its own. I am not sure how much I buy into this line of reasoning, but there are a number of people using these types of products (mostly older people) that do seem to derive some kind of benefit from their use.
Now back to the original thought .... there is NO WAY to compare this type of 2,000 nanogram application (to the mouth no less) of something like HGH and injecting 660,000 nanograms at a time like we routinely do. All of the propaganda sheets that these folks use on the great benefit of their product is based on studies of injecting HGH.
I've also listed a link on hGH by "The Red Baron" who has used hGH and is very knowledgeable on this subject. He clearly explains the various intricacies of hGH and is also responsible for the above remarks. Good stuff, check it out.
http://www.ironforlife.com/t4502-a-guide-to-hgh.html
Peace
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RE: ASN HUMAGRO? - 10/19/2006 7:36:11 PM
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Muscles89
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jram, i understand what u r saying and all but i am not sure if i would want to inject myself with this stuff. I am still in the "considering" stage of things. but my question to u is if i should take an HGH product. Like i said i am 17 and am 5'11...175 lbs. with about 10-12% bf. WHat is ur opinion
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6'0
174 Lbs.
Chest -42.5"
Waist-31.5"
Arms-15 1/2"
Shoulders-49.5"
Legs-22"
Body Fat- 6.75%
LBM-162 Lbs.
FBM- 11 Lbs.
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RE: ASN HUMAGRO? - 10/20/2006 9:13:12 PM
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jram
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Hey Muscles89;
The 6th paragraph of my post tells you that
"......there is NO WAY to compare this type of 2,000 nanogram application (to the mouth no less) of something like HGH and injecting 660,000 nanograms at a time like we routinely do. All of the propaganda sheets that these folks use on the great benefit of their product is based on studies of injecting HGH. "
If you need 600,000 nanograms daily for hGH to work and with a long cycle, IMPO you wouldn't benefit by taking 2,000 nanograms orallywith an OTC product.
< Message edited by jram -- 10/20/2006 9:14:29 PM >
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RE: ASN HUMAGRO? - 10/20/2006 11:36:18 PM
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Its not good at any age.
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ORIGINAL: Muscles89
Allright i am 17 and am powerlifting at my school and am wondering if i should be experimenting with this project. That is if i am to young or its not worth it.
I have read other reviews and they say its good and others say that it is bad. SO...i need you guys expertise. I read that it is good and works from various stuff too.
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RE: ASN HUMAGRO? - 10/20/2006 11:38:03 PM
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Coulaid
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You can do other things to boost your gh levels:
Red Meat
Heavy Lifting
Short Workouts
Squat
Dead
Bench
Eating plenty of cals
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RE: ASN HUMAGRO? - 10/22/2006 10:23:52 PM
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Sprinting...in conjunction with what coulaid said (anerobic exercisie )
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RE: ASN HUMAGRO? - 10/23/2006 11:00:36 AM
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Che
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what are hg levels?
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RE: ASN HUMAGRO? - 10/24/2006 10:23:14 AM
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If you take excess of certain amino acids, that also naturally increases your growth hormone levels.
Those amino acids are:
GLUTAMINE
ARGININE
Get Glutamine SR by MHP sports. 100% bioavalable glutamine as oppose to other glutamine powders
ARGININE comes in many different forms, so pick the one which suits you. I think Nox9 is the latest in nitrix oxide pump (arginine is a precursor to Nitrix oxide and growth hormone) so you could try that, or any of the arginine products from BSN.
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RE: ASN HUMAGRO? - 9/9/2007 6:53:51 PM
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WeightRookie
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is the kind you inject legal? what are the health risks?
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RE: ASN HUMAGRO? - 9/9/2007 7:18:46 PM
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quote:
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jram, i understand what u r saying and all but i am not sure if i would want to inject myself with this stuff. I am still in the "considering" stage of things. but my question to u is if i should take an HGH product. Like i said i am 17 and am 5'11...175 lbs. with about 10-12% bf. WHat is ur opinion
NO. You dont understand. NO HGH PRODUCT ON THE MARKET IS GOING TO BE REAL. The only HGH that actually works is the injectible Jintropin...... which is roughly 6,000 dollars for 6 months. Sure, you can buy sub-cue peptides like igf-1 and other things, but they are ILLEGAL, HARD TO OBTAIN , and VERY EXPENSIVE.
Your 17 years old. You do not need anything more than a solid diet and MAYBE a protein supplement. Take it from me my friend, I have a few clients your age in the same boat, all you need to do is train properly and EAT PROPERLY and you, at 17, will gain more weight than you probably would assume you can.
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RE: ASN HUMAGRO? - 9/9/2007 7:28:40 PM
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WeightRookie
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i just read that whole thing on hgh in that link and decided it wasnt for me. now that you say its $6,000 for 6 months I know its not for me
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