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!7 year old looking to gain weight.Supplements? - Saturday, April 16, 2005 6:12 PM
My 17 year old is trying to gain weight for football,next fall.He weighs in now at 163.Benches 250.Eats 6 to 8 times aday.6 eggs in the morning,alot of turkey and chicken during the day.Also eats protein bars during the day and takes 2 protein shakes aday.One after a work out and the other before he goes to bed.Looking for a little advice for him to gain some football weight before the summer.Would like to get up to 180 lbs.Was thinking about some supplements like Cellmass that has creatine or I heard NO2 was good but expensive.Looking for advice........THANKS
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RE: !7 year old looking to gain weight.Supplements? - Saturday, April 16, 2005 6:20 PM
i heard NO2 was bad. creatine just retains water, but it also helps a little with short sprints. i would just say to eat a lot of food and lift hard. maybe make a homemade weight gainer...
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RE: !7 year old looking to gain weight.Supplements? - Saturday, April 16, 2005 7:40 PM
exactly try some weight gainer, or sry some high 5 i used that um....cell mass im on it right now i think it works great in loving it, holestly i wouldnt try that NO stuff, whats he eating, well it sounds like he is eating right, i would just tell
basket ball is the only sport in witch you can bounce a ball in, foot ball thats a fumble, you kick ball in soccer, hockey...well if you bounce a ball in hockey thats an automatic streiod test
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RE: !7 year old looking to gain weight.Supplements? - Saturday, April 16, 2005 7:46 PM
exacly weigt gainers it gonna take time for him to get bigger, but im on creatine rite now and i love it, i have also heard that NO2 is bad. it sounds like your son is eating right. just keep hime working out and make shure he dosnt over train
basket ball is the only sport in witch you can bounce a ball in, foot ball thats a fumble, you kick ball in soccer, hockey...well if you bounce a ball in hockey thats an automatic streiod test
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RE: !7 year old looking to gain weight.Supplements? - Saturday, April 16, 2005 7:50 PM
I would keep it simple. If your son is looking to gain weight (lean mass), I would add a third protein shake to his daily meals. He should eat six meals a day (including the third shake), spaced about two hours a part. It takes planning and preparation, but, it gives him control over what he is eating and when. Make sure his diet has lots of beef, chicken, turkey, fish, vegetables, carbs, like sweet potatos and brown rice. Also, he should drink at least a gallon of water a day. He should be able to gain about a pound a week of lean mass. Have him stay competely away from junk food.
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RE: !7 year old looking to gain weight.Supplements? - Sunday, April 17, 2005 10:46 PM
creatine is a good supplement, but i would not go with it for a size gain, and if he takes it he needs to stop taking three weeks before his football practices get intense, i did not do this, and full body cramps SUCK. For some if not most people who are on creatine, me included, creatine has a tendency to make you cramp up more. For pure size, protein and calories should be the chief concern. Make sure he is doing big time leg workouts, most of your body's weight is in the legs and midsection. The main supplement should be some sort of weight gainer/protein shake, like what he is on. Good foods would be like what old navy said and tuna. I am a huge advocate of tuna, it's like eating pure protein.
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RE: !7 year old looking to gain weight.Supplements? - Monday, April 18, 2005 12:26 AM

ORIGINAL: Master Of Puppets

i heard NO2 was bad. creatine just retains water, but it also helps a little with short sprints. i would just say to eat a lot of food and lift hard. maybe make a homemade weight gainer...


Never base a decision on a "I heard that...." Wrong information easily get passed along this way. Sometimes the best healing and growth of ourselves is provided at the amino acid level. A connection at this level has it priorities just like a living mind has its priorities to its living body. It all depends on if you respond to said product and its design on how it is was engineered to work.

STAY AWAY FROM THE WEIGHTGAINER! Do not consume...... I dont think it is needed to put on quality mass.


ORIGINAL: edwhobbs
creatine is a good supplement, but i would not go with it for a size gain, and if he takes it he needs to stop taking three weeks before his football practices get intense, i did not do this, and full body cramps SUCK. For some if not most people who are on creatine, me included, creatine has a tendency to make you cramp up more.


Why not for size? Creatine is a great building block for starting the first phases of building muscle.
I would say that something else wasnt lining up for you and stomach cramps were the result. Perhaps not getting enough water before/during/after practice. Nutrtion could have been off. But if you use creatine while working hard under the sun and heat of preseason foobtall, saturating yourself with liquids before practice is not a wise decision. Take your creatine with a good amount of water, then before practice, drink a 2.5 serving gatorade or equivilent. You will want to keep you electrolights in balance during the mental/physical/emotional stess.

Riggsjr: My suggestions and input. 17 yrs old, very resilient and powerful but not very wise due to his continuing physical/emotion growth process. So he will be able to burn almost everything you feed him nututionally. However try to stay away from the less efficient foods like the protein bars. I dont suggest this unless absolutly necessary. As the ingrediants are not the best.

Old Navy has some valid points. Red meat has a lot more fat than a chicken weighted the same size before cooking. Eat red meat sparingly.

How many carbs does he get during the day? Simple sugar and complex?

To live by supplement list:

Antixoidant (vit c, vit e, green tea, cinnamon, cocoa)
Multi Vitamin
Fish Oil or Flax seed oil
Whey Protein ( 20-30gs a serving - first thing in morn, 1 hr before workout, immediately after, once more before bed)


Extra preformance supplements: (but require more maintenance & disicipline)

Amino Acid Based (creatine, NO, etc)
Positive Emotional Support from any one.

These Amino Acid Based supplements come in many difference forms, so personal research is required because if you are not optimized nutritional, mentallly ,emotionally, or receive positive feed back or have negative feelings. The product might not be able to do whats intended.

Ripoffs are a part of life.

Sorry for the long post...
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RE: !7 year old looking to gain weight.Supplements? - Monday, April 18, 2005 5:38 AM


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STAY AWAY FROM THE WEIGHTGAINER! Do not consume...... I dont think it is needed to put on quality mass.



if he ends up needing more calories, why not? it's homemade, not the store-bought crap. just wanted to point out that it's not all sugar like in the weight gainers at the store, it's a mixture of good foods.

another good thing to use is to drink a LOT of skim milk. this will up the protein tremendously, and the calories.
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RE: !7 year old looking to gain weight.Supplements? - Monday, April 18, 2005 12:53 PM
yeh im gonna have to go with master here misanthropy on the weight gainer. I think its a good supplement for mass. i mean, calories are calories and if he can't get to a meal why not throw in a weight gainer shake? Also, most if not all are designed for muscle recovery/growth, making them ideal for post workout prebedtime meals. If you go with weight gainer/protein supplement, go with either muscle milk or cytogainer (its got more than just protein, i can tell a difference from when i have been taking them and not).
Also, the creatine related cramps were not stomach, they were full body, hold my legs down to a table, leave practice in ambulance with an iv in my arm cramps. I've had two and both times two different physicians asked me what supplements i was taking, their chief concern being effedra, and then when i said creatine they immediately explained that that was my problem. It's an ideal offseason supplement, but when things heat up i'd back off
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RE: !7 year old looking to gain weight.Supplements? - Monday, April 18, 2005 2:51 PM

Im going by my own personal experience with weight gainer. Home made weight gainer is much better than store bought but i would rather make a great homemade meal instead of a homemade weight gainer. If i needed to eat 5 small meals or 3 weight gainer shakes a day to get the calories, i'd choose the 5 small meals.
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RE: !7 year old looking to gain weight.Supplements? - Monday, April 18, 2005 3:20 PM
oh, i see what you are saying, i was only suggesting they be used as a supplement for missed meals and pre bed or post workout. And yeh, homemade milkshakes are not only more cost efficient, they taste better
Age: 19
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Benchpress: 285x1, 250x5
Squat: 360x1, 330x3
Leg Press: 850x6
Straight bar curl: 125x2
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