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RE: 5x5 results been great but gains have stopped! HST-strictly compounds- question?
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 9:21 AM
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ORIGINAL: Wyrms ORIGINAL: coldfire ORIGINAL: Wyrms For the safety of your spinal vertebrae I strongly advise that you eliminate all ab exercises. I strongly suggest that you stop giving advices you can't back up. Cute. Can you back it up?
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 10:10 AM
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ORIGINAL: kingyoto ORIGINAL: Wyrms ORIGINAL: coldfire ORIGINAL: Wyrms For the safety of your spinal vertebrae I strongly advise that you eliminate all ab exercises. I strongly suggest that you stop giving advices you can't back up. Cute. Can you back it up? Can you be funny?
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 11:17 AM
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ORIGINAL: coldfire ORIGINAL: kingyoto ORIGINAL: Wyrms ORIGINAL: coldfire ORIGINAL: Wyrms For the safety of your spinal vertebrae I strongly advise that you eliminate all ab exercises. I strongly suggest that you stop giving advices you can't back up. Cute. Can you back it up? Can you be funny? What?
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RE: 5x5 results been great but gains have stopped! HST-strictly compounds- question?
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 11:26 AM
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ORIGINAL: Yet ORIGINAL: coldfire ORIGINAL: kingyoto ORIGINAL: Wyrms ORIGINAL: coldfire ORIGINAL: Wyrms For the safety of your spinal vertebrae I strongly advise that you eliminate all ab exercises. I strongly suggest that you stop giving advices you can't back up. Cute. Can you back it up? Can you be funny? What? ?
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: coldfire ORIGINAL: kingyoto ORIGINAL: Wyrms ORIGINAL: coldfire ORIGINAL: Wyrms For the safety of your spinal vertebrae I strongly advise that you eliminate all ab exercises. I strongly suggest that you stop giving advices you can't back up. Cute. Can you back it up? Can you be funny? what? how am I trying to be funny. I asked wryms if he could back up his statement.
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:22 PM
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If he wanted to, he would reply intead of saying "Cute".
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: coldfire If he wanted to, he would reply intead of saying "Cute". what the f*ck does that have to do with me.
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:32 PM
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Forget it. I misunderstood your post.
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RE: 5x5 results been great but gains have stopped! HST-strictly compounds- question?
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Monday, April 28, 2008 10:14 PM
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ORIGINAL: TheSilverFox since you said you can only do a certain amount of the dips and chins... you might consider doing lat pulldowns and increase that weight until you get stronger for pullups. you can also do rows of course. instead of dips, close grip chest benchpress and skullcrushers will get your triceps stronger so you can do dips later on. From my experience, pulldowns dont necessarily help much as far as pullup strength goes. I suggest doing negative pullups. Works great for me...
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RE: 5x5 results been great but gains have stopped! HST-strictly compounds- question?
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Monday, May 05, 2008 6:48 AM
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Found something interesting on the spinal issues with ab exercises- " During the first portion of the sit up, the abdominal muscles flex the spine. The hip flexor muscles flex the hip to complete the movement. If the abdominal muscles are not strong enough to counter the Psoas' pull on the spine, the lumbar vertebrae can be forced into hyperextension. This can occur during other hip flexor movements as well. In the book "Strength Training for Young Athletes" by Kraemer and Fleck, the cover states "Includes over 100 safe exercises for 18 muscle groups and 16 sports. They include two sit up exercises with the feet anchored - Page 105: Bent-Leg Sit-up
- Page 106: Bent-Leg Sit-up with a Twist (on incline)
Steven J. Fleck, PhD and William J. Kraemer, PhD are probably the most well respected scientists studying resistive training. Fleck and Kreamer have dedicated their careers in investigating researching, and writing both scientific and main stream publications on weight training. Kreighbaum (1996) states: "The physical condition of the performer dictates how safe and effective these exercises will be in the strengthening the abdominal" For those with no history of lower back pain during hip flexion, situps or leg-hip raises can be considered so the abdominal and hip flexors can be exercised in a single exercise. A determination should be made if the client has adequate abdominal strength to counter the psoas' pull. Like the lower back integrity previously discussed, this biomechanical deficiency can be easily corrected (see links immediately below). Crunches, or half sit ups can be prescribed for the first months before the introduction of hip flexor movements. Incidentally, the bend of the hip severally diminishes Psoas' mechanical efficiency and consequently its pull on the lumbar spine. See tension potential. Kreighbaum (1996) adds: "For a performer with weak abdominal, the hip-flexed position is the best". Also see Flexible hip flexors and strong abdominal muscles are particular important before performing the Decline Situp, Roman Chair Situp, Leg Raises and Hip Raises since the hip becomes fully extended. As for having your feet anchored effecting movement from the origin rather than the insertion, this essentially does not effect its activation. The muscle contracts through out itself despite the end that moves (origin or insertion). Are the forces through the Latissimus Dorsi some how different in pullup as compared to the pulldown? Your old physics or biomechanics book will clarify the forces are indistinguishable. Incidentally, the crest of the pubis is often referred to as the origin of the Rectus Abdominis, anyway. Obviously, man made classification systems do not perfectly fit all constructs; these semantics merely propitiate rhetorical arguments. In a horizontal position, the anchoring of the feet will allow you to stabilize the lower body without extending the legs to counter the leverage and momentive forces of the upper body during its extended leverage in the lower position. Remember when the hips are extended the Psoas is activated more. In an incline motion, the anchoring of the feet prevents you from sliding back, or falling on your head. If a client has such weak abdominal that their psoas is pulling on the back, corrective exercise should be performed months before they start on intense hip flexor exercises. To say sit ups are bad, or any other exercise is bad is a gross over-generalization. "
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RE: 5x5 results been great but gains have stopped! HST-strictly compounds- question?
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Monday, May 05, 2008 6:50 AM
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This is the only thing talking about this stuff??? That have been the case with me over doing it when shouldn't had when doing weighted decline situps... this makes more sense
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