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3 DAY FULL BODY - Friday, September 28, 2007 3:30 AM ( #1 )
I took a few minutes and typed out this routine for those members who dislike typing the same old routine day after day.  If you agree with basic principals of this routine, it's an easy efficient way to direct a new person or even an intermediate / advanced lifter who is wanting to experiment or just do something different without having to re-type over and over. Either a link to this post or a simple copy and paste will hopefully be useful.

This basic 3 day routine will work for beginners, intermediate and advanced lifters as well.

Reps and sets all depend on your goals.  This routine will work for both strength and hypertrophy with minor adjustments.

Although I don't follow the general rule:

low reps = Strength
high reps = Hypertrophy

Simply due to the fact that everyone responds differently..  But It can be used as a general guide.

Strength: 3-5 sets 1-5 reps each exercise: Moderate to Heavy Weight.
 
Hypertrophy: 3-5 sets 6-15 reps each exercise: Moderate Weight

Endurance: 3-5 sets 15-25 reps: Light/med light weight
 
Workout Time: 45-60 minutes, if it runs over a bit, no big deal.
 
Monday:
Squats
Incline Bench Press
OH Press
Bent Over BB or DB Row
Weighted Pullups or Pulldowns

Wednesday:
Deadlift
Flat Bench or Weighted Dips
Arnolds
Seated One Arm Rows
Weighted Pullups or Pulldowns

Friday:
Squats
Incline Bench Press
Hang Clean & Press
Bent Over BB or DB Rows
Weighted Pullups or Pulldowns

For each muscle I've chosen several of my favorite compound exercises.  If you have your own, they can be repaced. 

If you want to include Isolations, Below are several that will work well.  

for each day pick two exercises from the list below and do 2 working sets of 10-12 reps. Again, if you have your own favorites.. simply replace.

Bi's
BB Curls
Incline DB Curls

Tri's
Incline or flat ez bar extensions: "skullcrushers"
Press Downs, Pronated and supinated grip
Kick Backs

Traps:
Shurgs.. Can easily be added to your deads.

Shoulders:
DB real laterals
Reverse Pec Dec

Calfs:
Calf Raises, Seated or standing
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Found this post and thought it would be useful.
Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength Routine:


 
*note the dip/chin isnt in the original program

Here is a routine from Mark Rippetoe’s book called “Starting Strength”. You can buy the book at www.startingstrength.com. It includes endless useful info that all beginners should learn. But as for the program he suggests, his clients that he gives it to on AVERAGE gain 30-40 pounds in about 6 months or so which is amazing gains.

The program is as follows:

You alternate Workout A and Workout B every other day, 3 times a week. So you could either do Mon, Wed, Fri or Tues, Thurs. and Sat. Depending on what works best for you.

Example:

Week 1:

Monday - Workout A
Wednesday -Workout B
Friday - Workout A

Week 2:

Monday - Workout B
Wednesday - Workout A
Friday - Workout B

Etc.

For the actual workouts read below:

Note: This doesn’t include warm-up sets

**Means this is OPTIONAL**

Workout A
3x5 Squat
3x5 Bench Press
1x5 Deadlift
**2x8 Dips (if you cant do these or no assist machine then do Decline Dumbbell Bench Press with your hands Facing each other)

Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 Standing military press
3x5 Pendlay or Bent Rows (or power cleans)
**2x8 Chin-ups (recommended mainly if doing the cleans)

Assistance work:

Most people cant get it through there head that compound lifts also work your arms Plenty and always Insist on direct arm work. As quoted by Madcow2, “Don't **** with this. Every bodybuilder seems to have Attention Deficit Disorder and an overwhelming desire to customize everything.” If you are one of these people note that you have the option of doing the dips and chins which give PLENTY of arm work. Abdominal work is fine to do also if needed.

I recommend weighted decline sit-ups and/or Hanging Leg Raises at 2x8-10.

It's fine to add some assistance work such as abs, hypers, or maybe some direct biceps and triceps work, but don't overdo it. For direct arm work, 3 sets of 8 of one lift for each muscle at the end of your last workout of the week will be plenty. Your arms are getting hit hard all week on this routine, so you don't want to blast them with iso stuff as well.
(dips/chins - skullcrusher/curls)

Weight:

As for the weight, make sure that you use the SAME weight throughout the sets. For example if I do the first set if Squats with 200lbs then I do the other 2 sets of squats with 200lbs.

Every week make it a goal to increase each of your lifts by 2.5%. Meaning if I lifted 100lbs for my Bench Week 1 then Week 2 I would try for 102.5lbs. If I did 200lb Squats Week 1 I would try for 205lbs in Week 2. Sometimes you will be able to do more but don’t mess with your form just to lift more.

Warm-up Sets:

Before all your working sets it is best to do a few warm-up sets. Specifically for your first lift. You don’t have to do the whole thing for the other lifts but definitely the first.

What you do is you ramp your weight up to your working sets.

For example:

2x5xbar (sets x reps x weight)
1x5x85
1x3x125
1x2x155

And the working set weight would be 175.

If you are lifting your working sets under 150 I would cut out the 3rd warmup set of 1x5 because it wont be needed.

Rest interval

As for the rest interval, Rippetoe suggests 1-2 minutes for the worksets, with no rest needed for warmups. Typically the workout takes me about 40 minutes, a little longer then you would think when looking at it. When I add my abs in it can run to 50 or so. So as for the guy saying it should take 10, you have no idea what you are talking about.

The Lifts:

**Used references and quotes from Madcow2 and Bodybuilding.com**

Barbell Squat: These should be full range Olympic style squats. Use the full range of your body - that means as low as you can go which for almost everyone is past parallel. If the top of your thighs aren't at least parallel it's for sh!t. If you think this is bad for your knees going low, you and whoever told you that are relying on an old wives tale. Anyone who knows the human body will tell you that below parallel is MUCH safer on the knees whereas parallel and above put all the sheer right on them and doesn’t allow proper transfer of the load to the rest of your body (this is how your body was designed).

Rest a barbell on the upper portion of your back, not your neck. Firmly grip the bar with your hands almost twice your shoulder width apart. Position your feet about shoulder width apart and your toes should be pointing just a little outward with your knees in the same direction. Keep your back as straight as possible and your chin up, bend your knees and slowly lower your hips straight down until your THIGHS ARE AT LEAST PARALLEL TO THE FLOOR. Once you reach the bottom position, press the weight up back to the starting position.

To be honest ATG (Ass to the Grass) squats work the best IMO. What you do is you go ALL the way down until your hamstrings touch your calves and keep the same Olympic squat form.

Barbell Deadlift: Each rep is deweighted fully on the floor. No touch and go. This is called the 'dead'lift because the weight is 'dead' on the ground. You can touch and go warm ups but that's it.

Flat Barbell Bench Press: Lie on a flat bench and firmly position your feet flat on the floor a little more than shoulder width apart. Keep your back flat on the bench! Using a grip broader than shoulder width, hold the barbell above your body, then lower slowly to the middle of your chest. Without bouncing the weight off your chest, drive the barbell up over the middle of your chest until your arms are straight and your elbows are locked. Lower the bar down slowly.

Standing Barbell Military Press: Standing overhead presses. Supporting weight overhead is a fundamental exercise and stimulates the whole body.
Raise barbell to your chest with your hands shoulder width apart. Lock your legs and hips. Keep your elbows in, slightly under your bar. Press bar to arm's length overhead. Lower to your upper chest or chin (depending on what is comfortable).

Bent Barbell Row: Slighly bend the knee's and keeping the back straight lean forward until the body is horizontal with the floor.  Grab the bar with a slightly wider than shoulder width grip, both pronated or supinated grip will work. keeping the back straight raise the BB up slightly below the chest, hold for 1 or 2 seconds and then return to the hanging position and repeat.

You could also do Pendlay Rows which IMO are also better.

Power Clean: This is also a very complicated exercise so here is bodybuilding.com’s detailed instructions on this lift.

Chin-Up: Hold the chin-up bar with a supinated grip (palms facing you) with your hands about 6 to 8 inches apart. Pull yourself up and try to touch either your chin or upper chest to the bar. Return slowly to the starting position. Do NOT swing back and forth! Using this grip works more of your biceps than your back or lats.

Dip: Using the parallel bars, grip the handles and push yourself up to your starting position. With elbows close to body and hips straight, lower body until shoulders are slightly stretched. Push body up in same posture and repeat. You can bend and cross your legs or keep them straight.

The Diet:

If you are bulking, which is what people usually do on this program, you need to be eating like there is no tomorrow. 3000-4000 calories a day. Make sure you get 1 to 2 x your bodyweight in protein (in grams) and more than that in carbs. Mark Rippetoe also suggests that you drink up to a gallon of milk a day and plenty of water.

Your bulk could be clean but its hard to do so. I suggest just going all out and getting any protein you can get your hands on. For example lean grilled chicken and egg whites is best but if you want to gain that muscle fast then ground beef, steaks, whole eggs, cheeses etc is great. Eat a lot of oats, pasta, wheat bread, yogurt, cottage cheese, tuna, etc.

Make sure you get a huge breakfast. Mark recommends 4 huge meals a day with breakfast being the largest. Make sure all your meals have plenty of both carbs and protein! Also look into getting a PWO shake for post workout to get some carbs DIRECTLY into your system when your done lifting. Then an hour later eat a meal. Its also good to eat a snack before bed. Just remember to get big you need to eat big because eating is 90% of your muscle gains.
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Links..
Bill Starr/Madcow2 5x5 Programs
http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow...nts_thread.htm

Mark Riptoe Program
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ghlight=riptoe

Frankie NY's Mass Building Program
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Frankie_NY's_Mass_Building_Program/m_8817/tm.htm

Lee Hayward 12 Week Program
http://www.leehayward.com/workout_programs/index.htm

HST Training Principles
http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/hst_notes.html

Vince Gironda 8x8
http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/ar...ets-of-8-2.htm

Powerlifting and Foundational Programs
http://www.weightliftingdiscussion.com/routines.html#5

Mike Mentzer Heavy Duty HIT Program
http://www.musclenet.com/mikementzerheavyduty.htm





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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Friday, September 28, 2007 10:41 AM ( #2 )
I will add a few routines if you don't mind.

For the novice/beginner (no experience with the core lifts, or very little experience):

My favorite routine, which is Mark Rippetoe's routine for beginners in "Starting Strength" book:

Workout A:

Squat 3x5
Bench 3x5
Deadlift 1x5

Workout B:

Squat 3x5
Overhead press 3x5
Bent-over rows/power cleans 3x5 (or 5x3 if powercleans).

Train on 3 non-consecutive days, like monday/wednesday/friday and alternate workout A and B:

Week 1:

Monday - A
Wednesday - B
Friday - A

Week 2:

Monday - B
Wednesday - A
Friday - B

and so on.

Start with weight that feels comfortable with the FULL RANGE OF MOTION movement, and add weight (5-10lbs) each workout.

When progress stops, take a backoff and try this one:

Week 1:

Day 1:
Squat
Bench
Chin-ups

Day 2:
Lighter squat/Front squat
Overhead press
Deadlift

Day 3:
Squat
Bench
Pull-ups

Week 2:

Day 1:
Squat
Overhead press
Chin-ups

Day 2:
Lighter squat/Front squat
Bench press
Bent over row/powerclean

Day 3:
Squat
Overhead Press
Pull-ups.

Pull ups and chinups are done with weight, so that the rep range is 5-7. All others are 3x5.

Progression is the same. Add weight each workout. When progress stops, try backing off and restarting it. If you are stuck again and having sufficient rest and recovery then you are probably intermediate now. go to next section :)

Intermediate:

First of all, there is Bill Starr's 5x5 here:
http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm.

It is a great program.

Another suggestion:

Same 3 days a week, but progress made on a weekly basis.

Monday:

Squat 5x5
Bench 5x5
Bent over rows 5x5

Wednesday:

Squat with 70% of Monday's weight 2x5 or front squat 3x5
Overhead press 3x5
Pull-ups 3 sets

Friday:

Squat 1x5 (max effort)
Bench 1x5 (max effort)
Deadlift 1x5 (max effort).

Improve the weights on weekly basis.

If at some point progress stops, it's probably because you are not doing enough work on Monday. Try changing 5x5 to 6x4 or 8x3 for example. Another option is adding a back-off set.

On the other hand, if you actually regress then you are probably doing too much on Monday. Try reducing a set or two.

This program is build on the Volume-Recovery-Intensity principle. Monday is a volume day, Wednesday is recovery day (which is very important, don't skip it) and Friday is intensity day where you havve only one heavy set.

Variations:

The intensity day can be replaced by dynamic effeort day, which means you will be training for speed.

Choose a weight between 50-75% of 1RM and try this:

Squat 10x2 one minute rest
Bench 10x3 one minute rest
Deadlift 15x1 30 seconds rest.

The point is to learn to accelerate the bar (not to add weights), which helps to improve your power and strength without taxing you as much as heavy low rep sets.

The intesity day does not have to be for a set of 5. You can try new records for 3 reps, 2 reps or singles too.

The volume - recovery - intensity principle is a great template which gives you a template to build your own programs.

If you are worried about your arms, choose an isolation exercies for biceps and one for tricpes and add a few sets on friday's workout.

Advanced:

You are advanced and know how to train so you don't need to ask what to do, especially not here :)
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Saturday, September 29, 2007 2:53 AM ( #3 )
The more the better.. I was hoping more people would have added 1 or 2 routines.. Could be a nice reference thread if everyone joins in and  participates..
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Saturday, September 29, 2007 4:01 PM ( #4 )
THE TEXAS METHOD


Introduction

This method uses a sharp contrast in training variables between the beginning and the end of the week. High volume at moderate intensity is used at the first of the week, a light workout is done in the middle for maitenance of motor pathways, and then a high intensity workout at very low volume ends the week.

This simple program is probably the most productive routine in existence for trainees at this level. It is usually the first program to use when simple linear programming doesnt work anymore. The trainee is transition from a novice to an intermediate is unable to make progress with either a workoutload he can recover from enough to do 2 to 3 times per week, or conversely, a workload that is stressful enough to produce the stress/adaptation/supercompensation cycle that he cannot recover from quickly enough to do 2 to 3 times per week.

In-Depth Coverage With Examples, Modifications, etc etc etc

In the Texas Method, the workout at the beginning of the week is the "stress" workout, the lighter midweek workout comes during the recovery period, and the last, higher-intensity/lower-volume workout is done when the trainee has recovered enough to show an increase in perfermance. The total weekly training volume and training stress is low enough that as each week begins the trainee has no accumulated fatigue from the previous week, yet the one "stress" workout on Monday is high enough in volume to trigger an adaptation, and the heavy single set on Friday provides enough intensity that neuromuscular function is reinforced without fatally upping the volume.

A classic example of this variation would be a squat program where, after warm-ups, Monday's workout is 5 work sets of 5 across, Wednesday's is lighter - perhaps 5's at 80% of 5RM, or front squats for a variation in exercise technique - and Friday's is a single heavier set of 5. It looks like this:

Monday
Squat, 5 sets of 5 reps

Wednesday
Squat, 2 light sets of 5
-or-
Front Squat, 3 sets of 3

Friday
Squat, One heavy set of 5

Here is another example of this basic intermediate template, this time for pressing exercises:

Monday
Push Press, 6 sets of 3 reps

Wednesday
Press, 2 sets of 5 reps

Friday
Push Press, 1RM, 2RM, or 3RM

Most intermediate trainees will be able to spend months making progress on programs set up like this one. Different set and rep schemes can be used, as long as the basic template of a volume workout, a light workout, and an intensity workout is followed.

The Monday workout should be stressful enough to cause hemeostatic disruption. The second training session should be enough work that the muscles involved are used through the range of motion, but at a load that does not add to the disruption caused by the first workout. The third day should be an attempt at a personal record.

When a program like this is started, the goal is to make progress on both Monday and Friday, just as in the novice program. When all the prescribed sets and reps on Monday are accomplished, raise the weight for the next week. If a new 1RM is set on Friday, next week try for a new 2RM. In essense, linear progress is still being made, but the line is now being drawn between Monday and Monday and Friday and Friday, instead of between Monday and Wednesday.

Very often, after 4 or 5 weeks of the progress with personal records getting more difficult on Friday, what is needed to keep the cycle running for a few more weeks is nothing more than a slight reduction in Monday's workload. Cut back the number of sets, or even the weight on the bar a little, and progress on Friday's workout can usually be sustained. The object is to make Monday's workout stressful enough to spur progress, not so stressful that it interferes with Friday's PR.

If progress simply stalls, with no reduction in the ability to complete Monday's workouts but an absense of personal records on Fridays, the stress needed to spur progress is probably not being applied on Monday. Often an increase or slight change in Monday's workout will restore progress. Adding a set is a good idea. Or, holding the total number of reps constant while using more lower-rep sets with a slightly higher weight also works well.

If however, actual regression occurs, not only in Friday's workout but with staleness carrying over into Monday, then usually the workload on Monday is too high, and residual unrecovered fatigue is creeping in. Possible solutions could be to drop a set or two from the sets across, reduce the work-set weight, or reduce the reps in the work sets - from 5 sets of 5 with 300 pounds to 5 sets of 3 with 300 for example.

SPEED SETS
A valuable training tool that fits very well into this template is speed sets, as popularized by Louie Simmons in his Westside method. High intensity training, the utilization of a very high percentage of force production capacity, is very productive but difficult to recover from in large doses.

When beginning this type of training, it is normal to continue to use 5 sets of 5 on Monday and replace Friday's workout with speed sets. usually u do a 3 week cycle in Westside.
Week 1: 12 sets of 2 reps @ 50% of 1RM
Week 2: 12 sets of 2 reps @ 55% of 1RM
Week 3: 10 sets of 2 reps @ 60% of 1RM
this cycle is then repeated many many times.

The object is to really explode under the bar and complete each set as quickly as possible. It is normal to take 2 to 3 workouts to get adjusted to this system. If even the last rep of the last set slows down, the weight is too heavy. In fact, the first time this workout is used, the last set of 3 should be noticeably faster than the first. The speed workout is substituted for the PR workout on Friday, with the high volume workout remaining as the primary stressor on Monday.

Recap

The Texas Model works in 3 sessions:
High Volume / High Intensity Session
Low Volume / Low Intensity Session
Low Volume / High Intensity Session

In summary, this is how it is outlined:

Monday
High Volume / High Intensity Session
Squats 5 sets of 5 reps across
Bench Press 5 sets of 5 reps across
JS Rows / Power Cleans 5 sets of 5 reps across

Wednesday
Low Volume / Low Intensity Session
Squats 2 sets of 5 reps @ 80% of Monday
Press 3 sets of 5 reps
Deadlift 1 set of 5 reps

Friday
Low Volume / High Intensity Session
Squats 1 set of 5 new PR
Bench Press 1 set of 5 new PR
Pull-ups 3 sets to failure

the last program is a mere example and can be modified in many many ways.

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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Friday, October 05, 2007 7:39 AM ( #5 )

ORIGINAL: smoundzou

THE TEXAS METHOD


Introduction

This method uses a sharp contrast in training variables between the beginning and the end of the week. High volume at moderate intensity is used at the first of the week, a light workout is done in the middle for maitenance of motor pathways, and then a high intensity workout at very low volume ends the week.

This simple program is probably the most productive routine in existence for trainees at this level. It is usually the first program to use when simple linear programming doesnt work anymore. The trainee is transition from a novice to an intermediate is unable to make progress with either a workoutload he can recover from enough to do 2 to 3 times per week, or conversely, a workload that is stressful enough to produce the stress/adaptation/supercompensation cycle that he cannot recover from quickly enough to do 2 to 3 times per week.

In-Depth Coverage With Examples, Modifications, etc etc etc

In the Texas Method, the workout at the beginning of the week is the "stress" workout, the lighter midweek workout comes during the recovery period, and the last, higher-intensity/lower-volume workout is done when the trainee has recovered enough to show an increase in perfermance. The total weekly training volume and training stress is low enough that as each week begins the trainee has no accumulated fatigue from the previous week, yet the one "stress" workout on Monday is high enough in volume to trigger an adaptation, and the heavy single set on Friday provides enough intensity that neuromuscular function is reinforced without fatally upping the volume.

A classic example of this variation would be a squat program where, after warm-ups, Monday's workout is 5 work sets of 5 across, Wednesday's is lighter - perhaps 5's at 80% of 5RM, or front squats for a variation in exercise technique - and Friday's is a single heavier set of 5. It looks like this:

Monday
Squat, 5 sets of 5 reps

Wednesday
Squat, 2 light sets of 5
-or-
Front Squat, 3 sets of 3

Friday
Squat, One heavy set of 5

Here is another example of this basic intermediate template, this time for pressing exercises:

Monday
Push Press, 6 sets of 3 reps

Wednesday
Press, 2 sets of 5 reps

Friday
Push Press, 1RM, 2RM, or 3RM

Most intermediate trainees will be able to spend months making progress on programs set up like this one. Different set and rep schemes can be used, as long as the basic template of a volume workout, a light workout, and an intensity workout is followed.

The Monday workout should be stressful enough to cause hemeostatic disruption. The second training session should be enough work that the muscles involved are used through the range of motion, but at a load that does not add to the disruption caused by the first workout. The third day should be an attempt at a personal record.

When a program like this is started, the goal is to make progress on both Monday and Friday, just as in the novice program. When all the prescribed sets and reps on Monday are accomplished, raise the weight for the next week. If a new 1RM is set on Friday, next week try for a new 2RM. In essense, linear progress is still being made, but the line is now being drawn between Monday and Monday and Friday and Friday, instead of between Monday and Wednesday.

Very often, after 4 or 5 weeks of the progress with personal records getting more difficult on Friday, what is needed to keep the cycle running for a few more weeks is nothing more than a slight reduction in Monday's workload. Cut back the number of sets, or even the weight on the bar a little, and progress on Friday's workout can usually be sustained. The object is to make Monday's workout stressful enough to spur progress, not so stressful that it interferes with Friday's PR.

If progress simply stalls, with no reduction in the ability to complete Monday's workouts but an absense of personal records on Fridays, the stress needed to spur progress is probably not being applied on Monday. Often an increase or slight change in Monday's workout will restore progress. Adding a set is a good idea. Or, holding the total number of reps constant while using more lower-rep sets with a slightly higher weight also works well.

If however, actual regression occurs, not only in Friday's workout but with staleness carrying over into Monday, then usually the workload on Monday is too high, and residual unrecovered fatigue is creeping in. Possible solutions could be to drop a set or two from the sets across, reduce the work-set weight, or reduce the reps in the work sets - from 5 sets of 5 with 300 pounds to 5 sets of 3 with 300 for example.

SPEED SETS
A valuable training tool that fits very well into this template is speed sets, as popularized by Louie Simmons in his Westside method. High intensity training, the utilization of a very high percentage of force production capacity, is very productive but difficult to recover from in large doses.

When beginning this type of training, it is normal to continue to use 5 sets of 5 on Monday and replace Friday's workout with speed sets. usually u do a 3 week cycle in Westside.
Week 1: 12 sets of 2 reps @ 50% of 1RM
Week 2: 12 sets of 2 reps @ 55% of 1RM
Week 3: 10 sets of 2 reps @ 60% of 1RM
this cycle is then repeated many many times.

The object is to really explode under the bar and complete each set as quickly as possible. It is normal to take 2 to 3 workouts to get adjusted to this system. If even the last rep of the last set slows down, the weight is too heavy. In fact, the first time this workout is used, the last set of 3 should be noticeably faster than the first. The speed workout is substituted for the PR workout on Friday, with the high volume workout remaining as the primary stressor on Monday.

Recap

The Texas Model works in 3 sessions:
High Volume / High Intensity Session
Low Volume / Low Intensity Session
Low Volume / High Intensity Session

In summary, this is how it is outlined:

Monday
High Volume / High Intensity Session
Squats 5 sets of 5 reps across
Bench Press 5 sets of 5 reps across
JS Rows / Power Cleans 5 sets of 5 reps across

Wednesday
Low Volume / Low Intensity Session
Squats 2 sets of 5 reps @ 80% of Monday
Press 3 sets of 5 reps
Deadlift 1 set of 5 reps

Friday
Low Volume / High Intensity Session
Squats 1 set of 5 new PR
Bench Press 1 set of 5 new PR
Pull-ups 3 sets to failure

the last program is a mere example and can be modified in many many ways.



This is taken from "Practical Programming for Strength Training".
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Sunday, October 07, 2007 8:34 AM ( #6 )
Whats your take on good fats? You said a lot of carbs and proteins, but I think you also need a good amount of fats from nuts and PB and flax and such.
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Sunday, October 07, 2007 9:02 AM ( #7 )
I agree, I thing good fats are needed.. being 45 I normally take in more good fats than most younger lifters do simply because my test levels have dropped and I choose not to artificially boost them..
 
.. but I also think it depends on several other factors and I also think in order to keep having success with strength and bodybuilding it isn't something that should be calculated out and left as is... just as we often change our exercises to "i hate this term, to TRICK our muscle" I think the same process works with fats proteins and carbs..  Sometimes adjusting the amounts of carbs fats and proteins we take in can actually go against the norm and creative the desired effect we're looking to achieve..  
 

ORIGINAL: SergiuArsenie

Whats your take on good fats? You said a lot of carbs and proteins, but I think you also need a good amount of fats from nuts and PB and flax and such.

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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:31 AM ( #8 )
Here's a good full-body routine that I found on a website.
 
Monday:
 
Squat
Pull-ups
Overhead press
abs
 
Wednesday:
 
Deadlift
Bench Press
abs
 
Friday:
 
Hang Clean and press
Bentover rows
abs
 
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:39 AM ( #9 )


ORIGINAL: brihead301

Here's a good full-body routine that I found on a website.

Monday:

Squat
Pull-ups
Overhead press
abs

Wednesday:

Deadlift
Bench Press
abs

Friday:

Hang Clean and press
Bentover rows
abs



You missed the squats on Wednesday and Friday
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:59 AM ( #10 )
Ya, I like the 3-day a week squatting too, but I found this full-body routine on a website a while ago that I saved.  I liked the looks of it because it had pull-ups as one of the main lifts rather then just an assistance lift. 
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:42 PM ( #11 )
 just checking these out now...a lot of these routines look fun/interesting. i would love to try them but i dont think im gonna be following any strength routines for awhile until i gain more muscle mass. last time i did a routine just for strength (bill starrs intermediate 5x5) i gained good amounts of strength but not as much muscle as i would have liked. a little too much fat too but i know that has to do with diet as well
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:46 AM ( #12 )
Dave, don't forget that when you gain strength your muscles have no choice but to get bigger.  The real 'hypertrophy' occurs when the muscle gets stronger. 
 
I think the reason that you didn't gain as much size as you would have liked to on Bill Starr's 5x5 is because it is an intermediate strength routine.  You only increase the lifts once per week in that program.  If you would have started out with a novice strength routine like Rippetoe's routine, you would have been adding weight to the bar every single workout, which would have made your gains much much better. 
 
I'm not calling you a novice to lifting.  But when it comes to strength training, if you are capable of adding weight every workout, you should do so.  If you are capable of doing that, then you are still considered a novice.  I thought I was at the intermediate level too after doing NROL for 8 months, but I quickly realized that I wasn't.  I was an intermediate to lifting weights, but not to strength training.
 
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:23 AM ( #13 )

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I'm not calling you a novice to lifting. But when it comes to strength training, if you are capable of adding weight every workout, you should do so. If you are capable of doing that, then you are still considered a novice. I thought I was at the intermediate level too after doing NROL for 8 months, but I quickly realized that I wasn't. I was an intermediate to lifting weights, but not to strength training.



Exactly. A novice is anyone who can train with linear progression, regardless of training experience with weights. Many people train years and think they are advanced, but they are nothing but beginners because they never trained on a real program for a considerable amount of time.

Being novice is actually good. Any advanced athlete would give up all his complex programs for a few weeks of linear progress.
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Monday, March 31, 2008 1:21 PM ( #14 )
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 3:00 AM ( #15 )
brilliant post thanks very much
 
what kind of stretching/warmup would you recommend to do before/after?
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:47 AM ( #16 )
I'm going to sticky this one. Great post!

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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:56 AM ( #17 )

ORIGINAL: rippedchick

I'm going to sticky this one. Great post!


This is where I always direct people looking for a new routine. I used it and had great results. GO SMOUNDZOU! I'm doing another routine off this page now.. hope it works out the same.
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:09 PM ( #18 )
very good write-up bro.

i like how you included the different isolations that you could add in if you wanted.  nice job.  I try to add in 1 isolation for each muscle group b/c I still have tons of energy after i get done with my compound lifts.  I've gotten nothing but amazing results so far from HST.

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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:14 PM ( #19 )

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very good write-up bro.

i like how you included the different isolations that you could add in if you wanted.  nice job.  I try to add in 1 isolation for each muscle group b/c I still have tons of energy after i get done with my compound lifts.  I've gotten nothing but amazing results so far from HST.



That means your not lifting heavy enough!

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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:27 PM ( #20 )
i knew someone would say that.

i'm definately TIRED after deads and squats and have almost thrown up several times.(these are at the beginning of my workout)

but 30 mins later when i'm finishing with my isolation exercises I have lots of energy for some reason.  i feel refreshed, in a tired "got my ass kicked" sorta way.




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ORIGINAL: TheSilverFox

very good write-up bro.

i like how you included the different isolations that you could add in if you wanted.  nice job.  I try to add in 1 isolation for each muscle group b/c I still have tons of energy after i get done with my compound lifts.  I've gotten nothing but amazing results so far from HST.



That means your not lifting heavy enough!

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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:25 PM ( #21 )

ORIGINAL: TheSilverFox

i knew someone would say that.

i'm definately TIRED after deads and squats and have almost thrown up several times.(these are at the beginning of my workout)

but 30 mins later when i'm finishing with my isolation exercises I have lots of energy for some reason.  i feel refreshed, in a tired "got my ass kicked" sorta way.




ORIGINAL: Red PittBull


ORIGINAL: TheSilverFox

very good write-up bro.

i like how you included the different isolations that you could add in if you wanted.  nice job.  I try to add in 1 isolation for each muscle group b/c I still have tons of energy after i get done with my compound lifts.  I've gotten nothing but amazing results so far from HST.



That means your not lifting heavy enough!

(j/k)




I do to, but I run after working out so that takes all my energy away.
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:54 PM ( #22 )
i didn't run at the time or do any cardio.. was bulking.   now i'm cutting, so that's a completely different story

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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:32 PM ( #23 )
Ive seen this before but I just checked out the hit program listed and I gotta say, that looks like a terrible routine, I'm not sure y thats on here
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:35 PM ( #24 )
is training for mass and training for strength two different things?

I have a quick question that i am confused on, max-ot says to train a muscle group once every 5-7 days, rippetoes program does it once every other day. Is that bad to work out the same muscle more than once per week?
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Monday, September 01, 2008 8:25 AM ( #25 )
I'll try to answer your questions:
Is training for mass and training for strength two different things?
 
in essence. YES and NO. One can train simply for hypertrophy, meaning; it is possible to grow muscles to a very exaggerated degree without an incredible amount of strength gains. Likewise, it's possible to gain an incredible amount of strength without putting on lots of muscle mass.  If lifting weights while only maintaining your daily caloric needs without going over, it's very possible and likely you'll have strength gains without hypertrophy.

Basically it all boils down to diet.  If you lift heavy weightsusing a pregressive load and your diet is above maintenance, you'regoing to get bigger and stronger.

I have a quick question that i am confused on, max-ot says to train a muscle group once every 5-7 days, rippetoes program does it once every other day. Is that bad to work out the same muscle more than once per week?

If you are training naturally without the use of Anabolic Steroids or Pro-Hormones then training the muscles every 36-48 hours is going to be the best route to take.  When a trainee is using AS or PH, most choose to train the muscles once every 5-7 days simply due to they are training the muscles with such intensity, their muscle need that amount of time in order to be recovered enough to be trained again.  The AS and PH help the muscles recover, increase the trainee's appetite for food and aid the production and release of GH and Testosterone.

It is very rare for a person to consisitenly train with the intensity of that of a steroid using lifter.  The body simply cannot repair and keepup with the work and soon you'll lap into an over-reaching state and stop making progress.  If continued, it's possible but rare to even suffer from CNS fatigue, often refered to as Over-training. Something that is very difficult to achieve... some even say impossible?

If you're training naturally, your best bet is to train the muscles frequently, at least 2-3 days per week and focus on big compound lifts such as Squats, Deads, Cleans, and various pressing lifts, with few isolations. Once you have a good solid muscle base developed, if you choose you can always implement more isolations into your routine to focus on weak areas such as calfs, tri's etc...
 
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is training for mass and training for strength two different things?

I have a quick question that i am confused on, max-ot says to train a muscle group once every 5-7 days, rippetoes program does it once every other day. Is that bad to work out the same muscle more than once per week?


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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Monday, September 01, 2008 9:43 AM ( #26 )
smoundzou


If continued, it's possible but rare to even suffer from CNS fatigue, often refered to as Over-training. Something that is very difficult to achieve... some even say impossible?


Do you believe it is really that difficult to overtrain at any level, or are you just referring to the novice lifter here?  It seems very possible and alot easier to reach overtraining at the advanced/elite levels of lifting, since the training is so much more intense, and it is alot more difficult to come up with an effective program to force adaptation.
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RE: 3 DAY FULL BODY - Monday, September 01, 2008 12:27 PM ( #27 )
My personal opinion on over-training, true CNS Fatigue is that it is probably one of the most difficult states to achieve for 99% of the lifting population.  I've mentioned it a few times before but I've never actually met anybody who has suffered from true CNS fatigue. 

I think lot of people confuse over-reaching with over-training. For the most part, hitting an over-training state is very difficult and could take upwards of 12 plus months on continuous hard intense training, something that most trainee's just arent' capable of doing day after day, week after week.

Personally, In the past I've lifted 5-6 days weekly, long grueling 2 hour workouts lifting fairly heavy tonage and I honestly don't think I've ever even came closs to over-training.   When you've trained so long and hard that your central nervous system is effected and starts going bezerko..  it's not something you would have to go post on a message board asking if you have it..

Possible... yes.. Capable???  I seriously doubt anyone other than the olympic / professional level athlete really has anything to worry about..

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smoundzou


If continued, it's possible but rare to even suffer from CNS fatigue, often refered to as Over-training. Something that is very difficult to achieve... some even say impossible?


Do you believe it is really that difficult to overtrain at any level, or are you just referring to the novice lifter here?  It seems very possible and alot easier to reach overtraining at the advanced/elite levels of lifting, since the training is so much more intense, and it is alot more difficult to come up with an effective program to force adaptation.


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Re:3 DAY FULL BODY - Monday, September 01, 2008 12:32 PM ( #28 )
the last few months to a year overtraining on this board has been mentioned as something extremely hard to achieve and a seriously bad state to be in.

but whenever i think of overtraining, overreaching, whatever you want to call it i just mean doing an amount thats too much for optimal results.   if you get great results from training 3x a week but much slower results from 5 days i would tell you your overtraining with 5 days because you'd get better results with 3. i mean thats the important thing anyway...who cares if 5-6 days doesnt put you into a state of "overtraining" if its still giving you worse results than less could.
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Re:3 DAY FULL BODY - Monday, September 01, 2008 2:06 PM ( #29 )
What you've said below is true but it pertains to a totally different aspect of training.
I consider Over-reaching, Over-training and CNS Fatigue 3 different stages of training.

My definition is:
Over-reaching: the state the body is in before it reaches CNS Fatigue.  A trainee can over-reach for months before entering into a state of CNSF. This is easily resolved by allowing body to de-condition(rest) for 5-7 days.

Over-training: Similar to what you're talking about below.  Doing more work than necessary to achieve a desired result. Usually not due to over-stressing the body but usually in reference to the term Hard-Gainer. Where the trainee has a naturally high metabolism and as a result ends up burning more calories than taking in,  usually due to extreme workouts, 4-6 days weekly, keeping them from ever gaining mass.  Lots of people fall into this category.  All these posts we see where the trainee says, "I eat 3500 cals a day but still can't gain weight.. "

CNS: Central Nervous System Fatigue.  A state the body enters when the central nervous system is unable to keep up with the stress being put on the body. Too much to list, but I'm sure everyone here has read multiple posts regarding the symptoms of True CNS Fatigue.
 
Anyway, that's my thoughts on it..


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the last few months to a year overtraining on this board has been mentioned as something extremely hard to achieve and a seriously bad state to be in.

but whenever i think of overtraining, overreaching, whatever you want to call it i just mean doing an amount thats too much for optimal results.   if you get great results from training 3x a week but much slower results from 5 days i would tell you your overtraining with 5 days because you'd get better results with 3. i mean thats the important thing anyway...who cares if 5-6 days doesnt put you into a state of "overtraining" if its still giving you worse results than less could.


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Re:3 DAY FULL BODY - Monday, September 01, 2008 5:23 PM ( #30 )
i think you guys are over thinking stuff. Just go to the gym and lift.
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