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20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 3:02:41 PM

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What is the best 20-beta-ecdysterone product out there(in your opinion)?

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 3:22:05 PM

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As in plant sterols?

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 3:24:36 PM

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lol no, I did copy and paste, hence the 20-beta-ecdysterone....Does anyone know a good ecdysterone product(for human use). Smile

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 3:44:01 PM

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i think e-bol by thermolife might be a good product to try. looks pretty good.

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 3:44:44 PM

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i second e-bol. I've heard good things about Anagen too.

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 6:17:49 PM

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Ecdysterone Products = Zero data. No human exercise studies done in a published peer reviewed journal

The few "research" studies I've seen on some supplement sites that say it's more potent than steroids should tell you what a marketing joke this is.

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 6:36:09 PM

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Ecdysterone Products = Zero data. No human exercise studies done in a published peer reviewed journal

The few "research" studies I've seen on some supplement sites that say it's more potent than steroids should tell you what a marketing joke this is.

Yes but they did have independant animal studies that showed measurable increases in muscle/organ size. This was across multiple species, like I remeber sheep for example.

Anywho yeah I'd say go with e-bol. I'm ordering a bottle soon so I'll find out for myself.

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 6:40:29 PM

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Ah... animal studies. Funded by who? The supplement company with a vested interest in it's outcome?

1 study? 1000's of studies?

Again, no exercise studies done on humans.

Myostin showed animals with incredible muscular growth rates too! Smile

The main problem with supplements is: People are purely purchasing based on other people's opinions and nothing based on actual scientific facts. Not that opinions don't matter but.. in this case.. Smile

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 6:44:39 PM

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One selected herb study

At least it was done on people specifically related to exercise but the results were less than promising.

"Other herbs remain virtually untested. Future research on ergogenic effects of herbs should consider identity and amount of substance or presumed active ingredients administered, dose response, duration of test period, proper experimental controls, measurement of psychological and physiologic parameters (including antioxidant actions), and measurements of performance pertinent to intended uses."

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 6:47:02 PM

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quote:

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Ah... animal studies. Funded by who? The supplement company with a vested interest in it's outcome?

1 study? 1000's of studies?

Again, no exercise studies done on humans.

Myostin showed animals with incredible muscular growth rates too!

The main problem with supplements is: People are purely purchasing based on other people's opinions and nothing based on actual scientific facts. Not that opinions don't matter but.. in this case..

When will this fake steroid **** ever end... Smile

E-bol = should know by the name its a bull **** product. d-BOL = bull **** product. Pink anabol Dianabols = real product.

Superdrol = Real product. Your age = Very young

Magic pills / injections that make you big without having to work out = Fantasy

Diet + training = Priceless

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 6:48:20 PM

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Thanks Marc, your a really smart guy. So ill do some more research, but now it's near the bottom on my list of supplments, right under rat killer. Smile

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 6:58:01 PM

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Incase you guys haven't figured it out yet....i'm not that smart of a guy. I read an article in M&F about this product, and they made it sound good....and im a sucker,lol.

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 7:08:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: IBendBarbells

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ORIGINAL: Marc David

Ah... animal studies. Funded by who? The supplement company with a vested interest in it's outcome?

1 study? 1000's of studies?

Again, no exercise studies done on humans.

Myostin showed animals with incredible muscular growth rates too!

The main problem with supplements is: People are purely purchasing based on other people's opinions and nothing based on actual scientific facts. Not that opinions don't matter but.. in this case..

When will this fake steroid **** ever end... E-bol = should know by the name its a bull **** product. d-BOL = bull **** product. Pink anabol Dianabols = real product.

Superdrol = Real product. Your age = Very young

Magic pills / injections that make you big without having to work out = Fantasy

Diet + training = Priceless

That's what people said about Arachidonic Acid. Except you can't really deny the gains people get from it, so it's seen as effective. There's a lot of people saying ecdys work for them. Gaspari included it in their haladrol liqicaps for some reason, right? I think there's huge potential in ecdys because they are so safe.

Anywho I'm skeptical too, so I won't make judgment on it before I take it. A lot of people seem to like ebol a lot, some don't.
But just because something doesn't give you Dianabol level results doesn't mean it's a fake bs product.
And yeah diet + training not roids. Ekhm ekhm.

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 7:19:39 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: odw777

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ORIGINAL: IBendBarbells

quote:

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Ah... animal studies. Funded by who? The supplement company with a vested interest in it's outcome?

1 study? 1000's of studies?

Again, no exercise studies done on humans.

Myostin showed animals with incredible muscular growth rates too!

The main problem with supplements is: People are purely purchasing based on other people's opinions and nothing based on actual scientific facts. Not that opinions don't matter but.. in this case..

When will this fake steroid **** ever end... E-bol = should know by the name its a bull **** product. d-BOL = bull **** product. Pink anabol Dianabols = real product.

Superdrol = Real product. Your age = Very young

Magic pills / injections that make you big without having to work out = Fantasy

Diet + training = Priceless

That's what people said about Arachidonic Acid. Except you can't really deny the gains people get from it, so it's seen as effective. There's a lot of people saying ecdys work for them. Gaspari included it in their haladrol liqicaps for some reason, right? I think there's huge potential in ecdys because they are so safe.

Anywho I'm skeptical too, so I won't make judgment on it before I take it. A lot of people seem to like ebol a lot, some don't.
But just because something doesn't give you Dianabol level results doesn't mean it's a fake bs product.
And yeah diet + training not roids. Ekhm ekhm.

believe it or not dianabol alone sucks too and even taking superdrol or dianabol people have still been known not to gain weight or only gain water weight.

If your training and dieting is not down then nothing will work. So yeah good statement at the end of your post Smile

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get away from the anabolics and fake anabolics guys its really not worth it.

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 7:29:58 PM

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hey check him out?

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 7:32:25 PM

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Look at his nips?.. whats going on with him... Oh maybe its due to the fact that his estrogen receptors are acting up.. Holy cow... Did you know that this is a major problem from using pro hormones and steroids at a young age.. ? I mean this guy obviously isnt under 21 but the odds of you getting this problem is higher then him.

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 7:35:04 PM

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Uh oh now its not just his estrogen receptors acting up But his test levels have come to a hault!! damn!! this guy is going to spend another couple years trying to get back the muscle he lost! think about how hard it is for a woman to gain muscle? When you guys are in your mid 20's you can look like this and its going to be even harder to gain muscle then it is now... Smile

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/24/2007 7:36:52 PM

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Fact : This man probably took very large doses of anabolic steroids.

Fact: More and more people under the age of 21 have had this guys problem without even taking that much pro hormones or anabolic steroids.

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Okay im done Smile

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/25/2007 1:51:30 PM

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i hate people that just shoot down products before even knowing anything about them. yes i agree that diet+training can beat supps any day of the week. however, supps are there to do what they are meant to do SUPPLEMENT your workout to give you an extra boost. e-bol could be the next big thing or it could absolutely suck, but you will never know until you try it. if you try e-bol and it sucked for you then you could criticize it all day, but don't criticize stuff that you haven't even taken yourself.

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RE: 20-beta-ecdysterone - 1/25/2007 3:37:07 PM

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i hate people that just shoot down products before even knowing anything about them. yes i agree that diet+training can beat supps any day of the week. however, supps are there to do what they are meant to do SUPPLEMENT your workout to give you an extra boost. e-bol could be the next big thing or it could absolutely suck, but you will never know until you try it. if you try e-bol and it sucked for you then you could criticize it all day, but don't criticize stuff that you haven't even taken yourself.

I would personally rather wait for somebody else to take it and prove it works with no side effects before I give it a try. In other words I don't want to buy a product to be a test rat.

I stick with creatine and have recently started thinking about takeing MRI's No2 because I've heard so many good things about it; and I work at GNC and not one person has returned it since I've been there. It's amazing how many people return these products unsatisfied though: Isa-test, testosorogrow2, super test, vitrix, X-test, other products that end with bol(epecially fizogen). two prodcuts that nobody has ever returned MRI's CE2 and NO2 infact everyone that I ask about them says they love it.

Anyway back to e-bol. Yes ti would be the best ecdysterone product out there being it is the only one that actually has a considerable amount in it. The rest of them have a much lower percent of ecdysterone in them.

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