17yrold 160lbs 40"chest

i hate my chest...
are their any exercise i can do to improve the look of it?
im clueless
some bodybuilders say keep lifting heavy, dont worry bout cardio
...but i dont want it to grow any larger
 

especially from the side.....why does it stick out so much?! hate that, it points out

It looks like gyno.

I would suggest bulking up to 210lb and then cut down to about 5% body fat at around 190lb and see if that doesn't help the appearance a lot. That's kind of what my chest does in a side view. It's simply pubertal gyno.

Yeah it looks like you have some gyno going. What supplements have you taken?

my doc said i dont tho....she said its just muscle and that i have a big chest, some soft tissue, lil fat.
i use to be a fatty btw

i started Superpump250 (NO2) in like feb.
always been taking whey after my workout

everyone says itll look good as you get older and to just keep working at it...i just wanna know what exercises i should do after looking at the pics.

If you used to be heavy it may very well be just fat. A lot of guys are so quick to gyno they forget the problem can just be fat and can be solved by dropping body fat.

and it could just be a place in your body where its just not coming of fast.

It could be gyno, but I wouldnt point the finger at it yet. I would try to cut down your body fat as much as possible. around 5-7% its going to suck, but there is a good chance you should be able to get rid of that and not have to worry about it again.

I had some fat on my chest back in january. I went on a cut till april first. Dropped almost 30 lb's. I got to about 10%ish I would guess. I got rid of a good amount of fat, its not completely gone...but the way it is now I can live with it until I decide I want to cut again. Right now putting on muscle is more important to me.

anyway.

I would get used to doing a lot of cardio. and I would try a low carb/carb cycling diet. Give yourself about 3-4 months. your probably at around 15ish right now.

6'3"  @213

Squat 1x20x275

press:200, Deadlift:475, Bench:300, P.clean:235, Squat:385

"The only failure that is final is to stop trying to improve"

lose fat.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

so should i cut bodyfat now?
or bulk up-get on weight gainer-and such and cut later.

cuz i wanna get bigger+lower bodyfat

so excluding dieting, weights mon. wed. fri. and cardio just about everyday for 30 minutes=burning bout 400cal. is that good?

appreciate yalls opinons n help

ymca


so should i cut bodyfat now?
or bulk up-get on weight gainer-and such and cut later.

cuz i wanna get bigger+lower bodyfat

so excluding dieting, weights mon. wed. fri. and cardio just about everyday for 30 minutes=burning bout 400cal. is that good?

appreciate yalls opinons n help

Weight Gainers are BAD. Don't use them becasue I have read that they contain fats too. If you want to get big then bulk, and if you want to know if it is a gyno then cut and see the results.

"The More Stupid People Think You Are, The More Surprised They Will Get When You Kill Them"

Weight gainers aren't bad, they are great. They are basically the extra meal you can't fit in with real food. The fats in them are fine as long as you make sure most of it isn't saturated.

V,
    You're the Clipart Photoshop GOD!

 

weight gainers = awesome

bulk to 200lb before you cut though. you will be too skinny otherwise

Weight gainers are terrible meal replacements. Why does everybody who wants to bulk and build muscle think weight gainers will magically help you? If you read the ingredients all the carbs are from dextrose. This is what you don't want to put in your system anytime other than post workout. You might as well eat a candy bar and some skittles with a whey protein shake because that is how healthy weight gainers are. You would be better to grind up some oats and mix with whey, some mct or olive oil, and water for a decent mrp if you must go liquid. You only weigh 160lbs so eating enough calories should be a breeze.
 
Also, if you are above 12% bodyfat there is no point to even start bulking. I would cut to atleast 10% before you start to bulk to get better results. The higher bodyfat you are to start the bulk the more you tend to gain in fat.

BB22,
    All gainers are not created equal.  I'm taking MHP's Up Your MASS now, and love it.  Carbs come from barley, oats, and oat fiber).  Out of 58g carbs/svg, only 3g sugar, and a whopping 12g fiber!  You're probably right about mixing your own being healthier, but the MHP looks pretty good for those who can't find the time to make their own. 
    And regarding your 2nd paragraph, I'd like to hear some other opinions and some science behind starting off with more fat and bulking meaning you'll get fatter than had you cut first.  You might just end up skinny (no fat, no muscle).  From what I've heard and read, the more LBM you have, regardless of how much fat you have on top of the muscle, the more your metabolism will gear up to maintain that muscle.  I've heard just the opposite:  Bulk first to up the LBM then you've got muscle on your side to help you with the cut.  I realize this is a controversial issue but where is the science behind the cut first theory?

Well I guess there are some healhier ones out there now if you shop around, but 99% of what I have seen people take are sugar loaded crap. I would also check to make sure your protein is a whey/casein blend and not just straight whey. Either way, whole food is the whey to go instead of shakes, which is what I was trying to stress. I could go into the changing glycemic load of liquid vs. solid. Which is why a content of slighty ground oats is better than liquid gainers, but if somebody wants to take a liquid substitute make sure they research like you did.

http://www.tmuscle.com/portal_includes/articles/2006/06-154-training.html
Here is a good article. Make sure you read the whole thing. It talks about bulking and cutting. Here is a good excerpt.

So what if you're at 13% body fat and don't have that much muscle? Should you bulk up? No! You should go down to 10% then gradually increase your nutritional intake until you reach a point where you're gaining 1.5 to 2 pounds per month. This will allow you to gain muscle at your optimal rate while staying at 10%.
2. The leaner you are, the better your body becomes at nutrient partitioning. This means that lean individuals are more effective at storing the ingested nutrients in the muscle (as muscle tissue or glycogen) or in the liver (glycogen), and less effective at storing them as body fat. Simply put, leaner individuals can eat more nutrients without gaining fat.
3. The fatter you let yourself become, the more fat cells you're adding to your body. As we saw earlier, this will make it easier to gain fat and harder to lose it in the future, not to mention that the fatter you are, the less insulin sensitive you become. This is one of the reasons why fatter individuals are more effective at storing nutrients in the form of body fat than their leaner counterparts.

unless you're a top athlete, your first paragraph is pretty much irrelevant. there are plenty of quality weight gainers, you just have to know what you're looking for.

if you're at 13% bf and don't have that much muscle, odds are you haven't been lifting very long. at that point, i'd definitely say don't cut. noob gains will be more than enough to drop bf and put on plenty of muscle.

if you're at 13% bf and don't have that much muscle, odds are you haven't been lifting very long. at that point, i'd definitely say don't cut. noob gains will be more than enough to drop bf and put on plenty of muscle.

 
 
And you say this based on what scientific proof? Please give me some studies or credentials to back your claims up. You are saying anybody with 13% body fat who has never lifted can lift weights and lose bodyfat? People who experice noob gains don't lose bodyfat, their body fat % MIGHT get lower because thier lbm increases. Chances are when you bulk you are going to add fat and once you get fat the easier it is to stay or get back there. You can either listen to what research has shown or somebody who is giving a personal opinion.

BB22 and CSP,
  Thx!
  BB: Interesting stuff about the nutrient partitioning.  You know, in wider circles for men up to 30 yrs, 9% is lean and up to 15% is good.  So 15% is hardly "fat," except in bodybuilding.  %s are even higher the older you are.  The OP looks as if he's been training, so he's got significant LBM to have already developed the nutrient partitioning of which  you speak, no?  I'll read the article.
   CSP:  Agreed about the quick gain potential of a noob, but it looks like the OP has training under his belt, no?

   Thanks for the spirited debate, fellas!  :)

so YOU say bulk first?
cuz my bodyfat% is like around 15...it might of already dropped a lil bit idk. 
Im not gonna look into weight gainers, imma just stay with my whey and superpump250 and diet.
today im working out chest n going to do high reps on every exercise. (20-15-15)...its better than not doing chest at all.
N the reason why im not gaining weight is prob cuz since ive basically been on a cut workout sch. n my diet consists of under 2000cals. (oats,oatmeal,1can of tuna per day..usually for lunch ill make a tuna sandwich,chicken,salamon,no junk food etc)
 

Baseball22

if you're at 13% bf and don't have that much muscle, odds are you haven't been lifting very long. at that point, i'd definitely say don't cut. noob gains will be more than enough to drop bf and put on plenty of muscle.

 
 
And you say this based on what scientific proof? Please give me some studies or credentials to back your claims up. You are saying anybody with 13% body fat who has never lifted can lift weights and lose bodyfat? People who experice noob gains don't lose bodyfat, their body fat % MIGHT get lower because thier lbm increases. Chances are when you bulk you are going to add fat and once you get fat the easier it is to stay or get back there. You can either listen to what research has shown or somebody who is giving a personal opinion.

Youre a goof.  Scientific proof?  SOOOO many people including myself have already lost bf and gained muscle at the same time.  I even did it while I was under 7%.

And whyyy would you guys tell him to bulk??  Hes clearly overweight and worried about the way his chest looks.  Bulking will only make it worse.  WTF?

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

But anyway, use weight gainers when you are missing calories and a lot of whole food.

And I don't think you are 15% unless you are hiding a gut in those pictures. You look 10%

Perrynaytor


But anyway, use weight gainers when you are missing calories and a lot of whole food.

And I don't think you are 15% unless you are hiding a gut in those pictures. You look 10%

Lol, no way hes 10%

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

Dude, its all in his boob fat. I really think he is lower. We need pictures of his lower torso. The only reason I might believe he is 15% is because he has no upper abs, but then again, he may not have them built up enough for them to pop through.

RollingStone


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Youre a goof.  Scientific proof?  SOOOO many people including myself have already lost bf and gained muscle at the same time.  I even did it while I was under 7%.

And whyyy would you guys tell him to bulk??  Hes clearly overweight and worried about the way his chest looks.  Bulking will only make it worse.  WTF?


Some how my other account got messed up this is baseball22. So everybody is a goof but you because you think can lose bodyfat and gain muscle at the same time consistently? You must be the new guru of bodybuilding and all research should stop because some kid has the answers for us. Other than fluctuation of muslce that you already have, nobody is going to gain muslce and lose fat in his condition. I want you to lay out a plan where someone can gain muslce and lose fat at the same time consistently at over 13% bodyfat.

baseball23

RollingStone


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Youre a goof.  Scientific proof?  SOOOO many people including myself have already lost bf and gained muscle at the same time.  I even did it while I was under 7%.

And whyyy would you guys tell him to bulk??  Hes clearly overweight and worried about the way his chest looks.  Bulking will only make it worse.  WTF?

Some how my other account got messed up this is baseball22. So everybody is a goof but you because you think can lose bodyfat and gain muscle at the same time consistently? You must be the new guru of bodybuilding and all research should stop because some kid has the answers for us. Other than fluctuation of muslce that you already have, nobody is going to gain muslce and lose fat in his condition. I want you to lay out a plan where someone can gain muslce and lose fat at the same time consistently at over 13% bodyfat.


Cake.

CKD for diet, HST or DC for weights, and HIIT for cardio.

Hell be losing fat on the no carb phase, gaining muscle on the carb up.  Youre saying no one has ever gained muscle and lost fat during a study?  LOL.  Its kind of ridiculous that I would even have to find one for you because there are so many but if I have to I will.

working on explosive phase
vertical: 35
weight: 206

Big 3: 300/440/515

Strength and growth come only through continuous effort and struggle.

i answered this post int he teenage bodybuilding section

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P.I.C.P. Strength and Conditioning Coach
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cclutton@gmail.com (important emails only)

I said 15 because theres not a whole lot of definition, and it looks like he is flexing already in his pics, so you have to imagine it relaxed too.

if he is that self conscious about his chest (I know exactly how he feels) then cutting down to get rid or try to get rid of that completely or as much as possible is what he wants to do.

RollingStone

Perrynaytor


But anyway, use weight gainers when you are missing calories and a lot of whole food.

And I don't think you are 15% unless you are hiding a gut in those pictures. You look 10%

Lol, no way hes 10%

6'3"  @213

Squat 1x20x275

press:200, Deadlift:475, Bench:300, P.clean:235, Squat:385

"The only failure that is final is to stop trying to improve"

Let my throw this in for the sake of taming expectations here (if it hasn't already been said):

Weight gainers are not meal REPLACEMENTS.  They should be used in addition to your regular meals (Like all supplements, they should... wait for it... supplement your calories), if you're going to use them at all.  If you are replacing meals with gainer shakes, you are doing yourself a disservice.

There are some serious drawbacks to the quality of calories present in a lot of those gainers, as Baseball22 rightly points out, but I wouldn't write them off entirely on the merits of how good a meal they make.  Eat food.  Use gainers for the coup de grace.

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Well I guess we will agree to disagree. The op asked for an opinion and I gave him the facts of what is recomended in the scientific and bodybuilding community. I still don't get why I am goof for giving somebody solid advice that the vast majority of professionals would agree with. I would love for you to come with me to a show and tell everybody there they are goofs becasue they are bulking and cutting and not losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time. I'm not saying you can't gain muscle and lose fat at the same time, it is just not as efficent.

me and RS are on the same page for the most part. i wouldn't do a dedicated cut from where he's at, just up the intensity in the workouts and get your cardio from lifting, essentially.

baseball23


Well I guess we will agree to disagree. The op asked for an opinion and I gave him the facts of what is recomended in the scientific and bodybuilding community. I still don't get why I am goof for giving somebody solid advice that the vast majority of professionals would agree with. I would love for you to come with me to a show and tell everybody there they are goofs becasue they are bulking and cutting and not losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time. I'm not saying you can't gain muscle and lose fat at the same time, it is just not as efficent.

not as efficient? if your goal is to stay lean all the time then it is 10x more efficient. in my opinion is someone is at 15% bf they are rather chubby.

i just would not want to get that high

Current: 19, 5'11", 190@7%

bench:305 squat:370(atg) deadlift:475
Goals: 4plate squat, 5plate dead

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