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1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 10:13:35 AM
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VaNDammE
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can anyone give me some input on how well the following products work. some people say they are effective, but can someone who has really tried them inform me. they are 1-Ad, TestPro-Alpha, 1-Test, Z-Mass, and T-Bomb. Anyone who has used these i'd be happy if you informed me on them, and their effectiveness=)
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RE: 1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 10:27:43 AM
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See the Pro-Hormone forum. Opinions on their effectiveness vary widely. I'm a skeptic, and the one double-blind study I've seen showd that the pro-hormones tested resulted in a number of hormonal changes, but not a net increase in testosterone.
The study, Page 17 of 24
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RE: 1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 2:47:23 PM
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i hear 1-test is bad with sides because it's methyl testosterone, and if you check the steroid effectiveness on www.getswole.com you will see that its ranked 10 out of 10 for side effects. even over dianabol and anabol. so i might consider 1-ad because its not methyl, but it converts into 1-test. can anyone just tell me what gains they realistically made off of 1-ad. i want people to answer not links to faqs or other forums plz. by the way powerhaus i love your ninja squirrel heheh.
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RE: 1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 2:49:05 PM
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From personal experience, I can say that the gains I got off real testosterone were MUCH MUCH MUCH better than any pro-hormone I ever took.
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RE: 1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 2:55:20 PM
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And you injected it correct? Hmm, the gains were different, shocking. And may I ask, for frame of refernce, what "pro-hormones" did you use, and why do you feel compelled to lump them all into one category? Is methyl test the same as test? Or as dianabol, or anadrol, or....get the point.
VanD, what you heard is HORSESHIT. 1-testosterone is not methly test, it is 1-testosterone, a completely different compound. Methyl test is illegal and a worthless drug at that.
Methyl 1-test isn't even the same as methly test, its a totally different compound, and M1T is quite effective, trust me.
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RE: 1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 3:14:31 PM
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Actually I take testosterone in the form of Androgel, a gel you rub on your skin.
I've taken DHEA, androstenedione, nor-androstenendione, and various "andro blends", including what's now called 1-AD and 4-AD. I've also taken crysin, tribulus, and various supplements that claim to be anti-aromataises. It was impossible for me to say if any of them did much, I was working out, I got results, but nothing out of the ordinary. I lump them all togeather, because I didn't notice anything special about any of them.
With Androgel however, I'm noticing a BIG dfference, as in I'm gaining muscle mass and losing fat at the same time, which I didn't think was possible.
I would still like to know how they develop pro-hormones if they don't do actual testing, and if they DO actual testing, where are the test results? You don't like the stuides I cite, cite some of your own.
I am sorry if my opinions offend you, Twin Peak. Get over it.
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RE: 1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 3:30:38 PM
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The trouble is, you may think you are doing good by "relying on studies" but your logic and reasoning is scary.
* there are no studies, so it can't work.
* I used something that didn't work that is roughly in the same category as these things, so they can't work.
* I used real test transdermally, and that works better than oral PHs (no ****).
* I used blends with too low an effective dose and it didn't do anything. Shocking.
1) PHs and PSs have come a long way since the barbaric ones you list above.
2) Trib is bunk, as are most anti-es (except 6-oxo for which there IS a study -- go to Ergopharm's website for a Uni study)
3) PHs and 1-test are sold OTC transdermally and are much more potent than the oral ones -- compare apples to apples.
I'll tell you what, go spend $10 on a bottle of Methyl 1-test, use it for three weeks at 30 mgs a day, and then come back and tell me it does nothing.
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RE: 1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 3:30:39 PM
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My 2 Uneducated Opinions:
1) Pro-Hormones work (not all brands, but the known, widely accepted)
2) Pro-Hormones are not the same as steroids. So comparing the results from set of substances to another, is apples and oranges.
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Actually I take testosterone in the form of Androgel, a gel you rub on your skin.
Can I get this, in CA, legally?
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RE: 1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 3:32:35 PM
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Trib is bunk
WHAT!
But I'm 65% done with my bottle at home. Damn it.
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RE: 1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 3:44:19 PM
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Twin:
Well gee, you don't like me insisting on scientific studies as proof, but when I offer my own experience, you jump all over me. Niiice.
If they work SOOOO well, then it should be REALLY EASY to cough up a scientific study saying as much. As much money as is being spent on them, rounding up a few dozen test subjects and running some blood tests should be trivial. The fact that the whole industry runs on hype and not science makes me skeptical.
I can hardly be expected to make a judgement on pro-hormones right now, since I'm on REAL steroids.
mda:
It's a class III controlled substance, by prescription only, as with other steroids.
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RE: 1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 3:53:27 PM
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quote:
The #1 topically applied androgen gel in America
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Warning: TestroGel™ is not intended to cure, treat, alleviate, or mitigate in any way, symptoms or conditions related to hypogonadism. TestroGel™ should not be used as a substitute for medically supervised hormone replacement therapy. TestroGel™ should not be confused with the prescription medication Androgel®. If you suspect you suffer from hypogonadism or clinically deficient testosterone levels, consult a licensed, qualified health-care professional. TestroGel™ is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Remember: self-diagnosis and/or self-medication is irresponsible and can be dangerous. To find a qualified health-care professional in your area, you may contact The American Medical Association (AMA) at (312) 464-5000 or visit www.ama-assn.org
No, Androgel is the #1 topically applied androgen gel in Americal. It's by prescription. It IS inteded to cure, treat, alleviate, or mitigate in any way, symptoms or conditions related to hypogonadism. It IS medically supervised hormone replacement therapy.
This is just another example of supplement industry bait and switch. They are trying to make people think this product is Androgel, and it's not.
http://www.androgel.com/index_flash.htm
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RE: 1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 3:59:13 PM
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Oh my gawd! I am so silly! Of course! Just like the ladies behind the Clinique counter!
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RE: 1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 4:32:54 PM
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Again, you wholly miss the point. I don't discount your experiences. I agree with them completely. I discount your inappropriate application of them to other related but very different compounds.
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RE: 1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 4:36:15 PM
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Actually, I did take a supplement called "Mor-Andro" that was 100mg of 1-AD and 100mg for 4-AD. Didn't do anything that I could tell.
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RE: 1-Ad, 1-Test... - 1/28/2004 5:03:40 PM
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Which proves my point -- you were using a no-name product with dosages that were far too low.
Again, take me up on my $10 offer. If you feel it useless, I will write you a check for $10 plus shipping.
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