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1-AD - 6/16/2003 11:04:15 AM

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Why do I see most people talking about this supplement? Is it really the foundation of a good beginner' s stack?

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RE: 1-AD - 6/16/2003 11:05:31 AM

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Its the most common PH used.

It is not a stack.

It is a very effective oral PH, and ergopharm is an excellent company.

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RE: 1-AD - 6/16/2003 11:13:26 AM

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If I was going to take a PH.. as a beginner.. and didn' t want to stack.

Could I just cycle this product over 6 weeks by itself and probably notice some differences?

Or I' ve seen this stacked with something called 4-AD??

Mainly curious to get my toe wet and go from there. Start off tiny.. notice a little gain. Then learn more about what stacking means and such.

Or is this product not really something you just take by itself to be effective?

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RE: 1-AD - 6/16/2003 11:26:25 AM

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You can take it by itself. I have not used 1AD but have used 1-test products (1AD converts in the body to 1-test).

Some people experience loss of libido and lethargy on 1AD and 1-test, and 4 AD is often used to counter this, thus a common stack.

Also, you should prepare a proper w/o and nutrition plan for when you are on cycle and off cycle.

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RE: 1-AD - 6/16/2003 11:37:53 AM

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Some people experience loss of libido and lethargy on 1AD and 1-test, and 4 AD is often used to counter this, thus a common stack.

I read the same thing somewhere..

People on 1-AD were taking some kind of 4-AD product (AST makes one I' m sure) to counter exactly what you said.

Okay.. now I kinda understand stack.

But prepare a proper w/o and nutrition plan for on cycle and off cycle? Huh?

I basically eat and workout the same year round. I eat a lot and lift heavy. And maybe throw in cardio for a few months to shed some un-wanted fat.

But why two separate plans?

Thanks Zebrahead for posting.. I was curious as well. I' m new to PH stuff and was looking at that exact same product. Took the post right out of my typing hands. Smile

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RE: 1-AD - 6/16/2003 11:42:24 AM

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Workout volume and/or frequency can typically be doubled, as your recovery is vastly improved.

Nutrition: if you are looking for maximum gains, I' d recommend anywhere between 18-20 kcals per pound of bodyweight depending on your metabolism.

If your are cutting, I' d recommend maintenance kcals, and you will lose BF.

If you are looking for LEAN gains only, and don' t mind sacrificing a few pounds of LBM then 500 kcals over maintenance would be a good start.

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RE: 1-AD - 6/16/2003 11:49:49 AM

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quote:

Workout volume and/or frequency can typically be doubled, as your recovery is vastly improved.

Gotcha.

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If you are looking for LEAN gains only, and don' t mind sacrificing a few pounds of LBM then 500 kcals over maintenance would be a good start.

This is what I' m trying to do now. 500 over what I was eating before. Basically adding a piece of fruit (banana/apple) with my mid-morning and afternoon protein shake and then something at night.. has boosted my caloric intake a bit higher.

I guess that is why each week I see (well mostly see) some kind of weight gain but don' t visually appear to be plumper?

Plump.. hehe.. funny sounding word.

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RE: 1-AD - 6/21/2003 4:25:23 PM

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Anyone use or know someone who uses this? A friend of mine does and he got very huge and quick. I read up on it and it seems that it gives you great lean muscle gains with little to no side effects. Anyone know a lot about this, both results and other consequences?

I' m understanding what this thread is about but I just want to know if anybody has used it and with what results?

It might be a good one to try as a newbie and possibly stack with 4-AD.

Just curious if anybody uses it now, has used it, or knows somebody who does/has and what they said.

Thanks!

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